Non Run Flat - what do you do if...
02-26-2019, 12:20 PM
#161
Melting Slicks
You have been very courteous and skillful in this thread, and if it ends up descending into the abyss, and ends up locked, it wont be your fault.
So you understand my position here, I would have liked a real discussion about different ways to deal with a flat tire in an emergency. Unfortunately, no one is going to engage the real issue because it has been displaced by a straw man. Now with posts like 137 and the more subtle post 152, even if someone has a really clever way of handling the situation, we wont hear about it.
Obviously its time for this thread to stop.
So you understand my position here, I would have liked a real discussion about different ways to deal with a flat tire in an emergency. Unfortunately, no one is going to engage the real issue because it has been displaced by a straw man. Now with posts like 137 and the more subtle post 152, even if someone has a really clever way of handling the situation, we wont hear about it.
Obviously its time for this thread to stop.
Here's a better idea. Why don't you just ignore it & let the rest of us who are enjoying it & learning something constructive about tires continue to do so.
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ladder13 (02-26-2019)
02-26-2019, 12:28 PM
#162
I'd like to see a controlled test where Non-ZPs are compared to ZPs and not just anecdotal evidence. Same tires, same vehicle, and tires compared through their useful life. I haven't found one so far but I'd like to be able to make a more informed decision the next time I buy tires.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.... Being informed in this way would give us all clarification to this age-old question.. at the least perhaps force tire manufacturers to continue improving RF design and function.
Agreed.... Being informed in this way would give us all clarification to this age-old question.. at the least perhaps force tire manufacturers to continue improving RF design and function.
02-26-2019, 12:47 PM
#163
Race Director
Here's one I just thought of, "hey my z51 needs a little more power, what should I do ? " well the hindsight approach would be to say "you should have bought a z06" !
Brilliant.
02-26-2019, 01:00 PM
#164
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
I'd like to see a controlled test where Non-ZPs are compared to ZPs and not just anecdotal evidence. Same tires, same vehicle, and tires compared through their useful life. I haven't found one so far but I'd like to be able to make a more informed decision the next time I buy tires.I'd like to see a controlled test where Non-ZPs are compared to ZPs and not just anecdotal evidence.
We would all like to see a controlled test but based on this tread and many replies with pros and cons here is the best advice until such:, GET RUNFLAT TIRES!!!!!... Thanks
Last edited by V Vette; 02-26-2019 at 01:01 PM.
02-26-2019, 01:01 PM
#165
Considering no purchase had been made at the start of this thread, given your analogy, "Get a Z06" is a perfectly legitimate answer.
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02-26-2019, 01:05 PM
#166
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
True but the OP was " what do you do when you get a flat with non run flat tires", and I was getting them no matter what. The tread migrated to a nice educational tread about RF vs non RF, pros and cons.... RUN FLATS from now on and FOOSH will soon be charging for the advice, lol!
Last edited by V Vette; 02-26-2019 at 01:08 PM.
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owc6 (02-26-2019)
02-26-2019, 01:09 PM
#167
Race Director
02-26-2019, 01:15 PM
#168
Melting Slicks
Flatbed and an Uber is my choice if I get a flat. ��
02-26-2019, 01:26 PM
#169
Le Mans Master
Whomever said the RF had a worse wear rating was wrong. They both have an identical Universal Tire Quality Grade (UTQG) of 500 AA A. That is the industry standard measure of tire expected life. A simple click on the link below will verify that.
Michelin AS3+ ZP and non-ZP UTQG
I'm not the "I told you so" type. I just like to try to help folks, and wouldn't want anyone to put themselves in harm's way, which was the only reason I tried to talk you into changing your mind before you purchased last Saturday. As I've said, I'm currently taking the same risk you are on non-RF AS3+ tires, because ZPs weren't available when I first purchased 3 years ago. I'm switching to AS3+ ZPs after this winter season because I don't want to push my luck too far.
Michelin AS3+ ZP and non-ZP UTQG
I'm not the "I told you so" type. I just like to try to help folks, and wouldn't want anyone to put themselves in harm's way, which was the only reason I tried to talk you into changing your mind before you purchased last Saturday. As I've said, I'm currently taking the same risk you are on non-RF AS3+ tires, because ZPs weren't available when I first purchased 3 years ago. I'm switching to AS3+ ZPs after this winter season because I don't want to push my luck too far.
This could just be a business decision with no real difference or it could be real driven by the different construction of ZP tires. We don't have the data to know.
Having said that, I don't put much value in treadwear warranties other than a method of comparison. It is up to the vehicle owner to prove that the alignment is correct and that there are no worn components if the tire lasts less than the treadwear warranty.
Corvettes can wear the inside tread of the front tires even when aligned within factory specs. Try to get a warranty replacement on an unevenly worn tire.
Last edited by RKCRLR; 02-26-2019 at 05:40 PM.
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PatternDayTrader (02-26-2019)
02-26-2019, 02:17 PM
#172
Race Director
One more option for those that don't see the benefit of run flat tires -
https://modernspare.com/search-page/...vette&cfy=2018
https://modernspare.com/search-page/...vette&cfy=2018
Seems perfect for road trips, and maybe any other trip.
I had no idea something like that was available. Relatively cheap too.
02-26-2019, 02:25 PM
#173
02-26-2019, 02:28 PM
#174
Race Director
02-26-2019, 02:38 PM
#175
And, getting a Z06 would have resolved the issue too, because runflats are the only version available for that car.
Last edited by Foosh; 02-26-2019 at 02:48 PM.
02-26-2019, 03:29 PM
#176
Instructor
This is coming from a guy with non-run flat snow tires and non-run flat summer tires for a C7z.
Last edited by shiv.nandak; 02-26-2019 at 03:31 PM.
02-26-2019, 03:30 PM
#177
Nope, sorry, your opinion obviously, but not shared by the majority and those of us have who have done extensive comparisons of today's tires. And the difference in price for the ZP vs. non-ZP PS AS3+ in Stingray C7 sizes is $192 for a set of four. Sounds like you're living in the past, and once upon a time what you say may have been true, but no longer.
Last edited by Foosh; 02-26-2019 at 03:35 PM.
02-26-2019, 03:30 PM
#178
02-26-2019, 03:41 PM
#179
Race Director
Nope, sorry, your opinion obviously, but not shared by the majority and those of us have who have done extensive comparisons of today's tires. And the difference in price for the ZP vs. non-ZP PS AS3+ in Stingray C7 sizes is $192 for a set of four. Sounds like you're living in the past, and once upon a time what you say may have been true, but no longer.
02-26-2019, 03:43 PM
#180
So is the price of a flatbed, wasted time, and heightened risk.
Last edited by Foosh; 02-26-2019 at 03:43 PM.