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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 12:52 PM
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I'm about to buy this 16 Callaway with some damage and salvage title but not sure what to make of the damage. It appears someone slammed into a curb and destroyed the wheel (not sure whats up with mirror) since bumper and fender aren't crushed. Rest of car seems fine. Do you guys think this is a 5k fix, 10k fix or more? My bet is 10K but i'm far from an expert. I figured it'll be a fun winter project to repair and save me some cash from buying the 2020 Z51. Unfortunately photo's are all i have but says 18k miles and runs and drives (although obviously doesn't drive the wheel is messed up).





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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 12:59 PM
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Looks like an abyss waiting for money to fill it up. And you'll never know how much it is going to suck up until it is done. If it is ever done.

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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 01:03 PM
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Well, what’s the value of a 16 Calloway? It’s totaled, so to repair it the insurance company thought it would be at least 60-70% of that...

my w.a.g.. is about $30k..., IF it can be fixed...
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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 01:06 PM
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Your whole front end is shifted and likely a lot of right front suspension damage- Im not familiar if the frame extends that far forward but probably will be bent as well. The front clip seems grossly unaffected but the front quarter panel is deviated. Mirror was collateral damage. There was a reason the insurance company salvaged it. Your not fixing that for 10k or perhaps even at all
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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 01:13 PM
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Impossible to say without removal of engine and all components to assess frame damage. You could get lucky if you are capable of DIY, but in all likelihood, it's not worth it.
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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 01:23 PM
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Forgot the other engine pic. Damage seems isolated to right wheel area. In my experience insurance will total anything that doesn't fit their estimating software box.... like no callaway option. Also with cars like this many wouldn't want theirs to just be repaired but replaced so i'm not too concerned with the status of salvage as far as determining damage. Not sure of value its so hard to see callaway's for sale and even more rare for the SC627. Comparing to Z06 i'm thinking $50K would be fair value in great condition so $40k seems reasonable for a repaired salvage, especially for something someone might use as a track car. I'm still negotiating but it'll be something like $25K ballpark and another 10K for repairs



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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 01:23 PM
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Like the others I think the cost would run by 10K faster than a ZR1 can go 0-60.

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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 01:33 PM
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Anyone have a pic of what it should look like? I can't really tell if that's fiberglass holding the shock mount or if its bent steel that might be bent back. I've been driving a 17 GS but won't get back until next week or two.
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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 02:30 PM
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This is a great track car project if you can do some work yourself, or if you know a competent and reasonable shop. For 20k, I would take a chance with it.
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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 03:19 PM
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Iceking;

"Caveat emptor"

A branded salvage title, represents an insurance company (Adjuster) has determined that this vehicle has either sustained critical damage and/or deemed a total loss?

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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 03:28 PM
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Run away.

Unless you are like a couple of members of this forum that have the skill, the experience, the tools, the place to rebuild something like this. It has been done with quite a bit of luck and even then a lot of the time the folks just end up parting out the cars when they relize they are over their head.

Forget about it if you think you need pay someone to fix it up for you. Put you $ towards a good use one and be happy.
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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 03:34 PM
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The front fender mounts to a plastic piece that is glued to the frame. It looks like the frame in that area is bent causing that plastic part break. There has been some penetration into the engine compartment that has affected the underhood electrical center and it looks like the alternator mounting bracket or ears are bent/broken. I would assume one of the control arms is bent. Actually the fender and front fascia look like they may need painting at the worst. There are replacement parts available from GM to repair the frame. They come in three different pieces. One part replaces the very forward part of the frame and the other piece replaces the part the first one attaches to the third part replaces those two plus the side rail.


As for a control arm being bent I would assume the upper control arm, lower control arm, knuckle, wheel bearing/hub, tie rod, maybe power steering unit would need replacing as well.

The issue with repairing the car is more than likely one of parts availability and labor cost. There will be a fair amount of labor involved in tearing down the car far enough to take the frame apart and then weld it back together with new parts so it is straight then gluing on a new fender mounting part. The rest of the parts are all bolt on parts and not all that difficult to remove/replace. I bet you are looking at between $20K-$25K to put it back to like new condition which can be done. These cars will take a substantial hit and after being repaired be no worse for the wear.

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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 04:36 PM
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Depends on what you're paying for it? What are you paying for it? Is it under a full GM factory warranty still? Need those firm facts answered first.....


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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe
Depends on what you're paying for it? What are you paying for it? Is it under a full GM factory warranty still? Need those firm facts answered first.....


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still working on pricing but offered 19k and they're asking 26k. It only has 18k miles and looks to be in great shape other than this.
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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 08:13 PM
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If this is something you enjoy go for it. But it sure looks like a lot of trouble. By all means get the price as low as possible. These projects usually go over budget.
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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn
The front fender mounts to a plastic piece that is glued to the frame. It looks like the frame in that area is bent causing that plastic part break. There has been some penetration into the engine compartment that has affected the underhood electrical center and it looks like the alternator mounting bracket or ears are bent/broken. I would assume one of the control arms is bent. Actually the fender and front fascia look like they may need painting at the worst. There are replacement parts available from GM to repair the frame. They come in three different pieces. One part replaces the very forward part of the frame and the other piece replaces the part the first one attaches to the third part replaces those two plus the side rail.


As for a control arm being bent I would assume the upper control arm, lower control arm, knuckle, wheel bearing/hub, tie rod, maybe power steering unit would need replacing as well.

The issue with repairing the car is more than likely one of parts availability and labor cost. There will be a fair amount of labor involved in tearing down the car far enough to take the frame apart and then weld it back together with new parts so it is straight then gluing on a new fender mounting part. The rest of the parts are all bolt on parts and not all that difficult to remove/replace. I bet you are looking at between $20K-$25K to put it back to like new condition which can be done. These cars will take a substantial hit and after being repaired be no worse for the wear.

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Thanks this is exactly what I was looking for. I'm really concerned how the shock and control arms connect to the vehicle.
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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 09:18 PM
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I’m confusion..it’s a salvage title so what part of it’s really bad do you not understand?

Seriously do you think an insurance company declares it a salvage car if it’s only minor damage!

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Old Sep 13, 2019 | 09:22 PM
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Lol. At 19k you can part it out and make money. But you really, probably aren’t going to fix that.
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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe
Depends on what you're paying for it? What are you paying for it? Is it under a full GM factory warranty still? Need those firm facts answered first.....


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Pretty sure having a salvage title voids any and all warranty....but not 100% sure.
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Old Sep 14, 2019 | 12:43 AM
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you have the technology, you can rebuild it. congratulations. so now you have a frankenray that DOES NOT compete with a used 2015 (or newer) Z06, period, end of story. a Z06 has MRC ride, dry sump oiling, custom tuned/calibrated suspension, wide track body work, big brakes and big tires.

so the Frankenray must always be priced less than a Z06 to even make a Z06 buyer even turn their head. Maybe a Stingray buyer would like the HP, more likely they will run screaming from the salvage title.

it may have been a big deal before the Z06 hit the street, but now it is just an oddity that only it's mother can love.

Forget the shade tree mechanic track. If you can get Callaway to take it back and make it like new, with a notebook full of receipts and pics, you may get a Mecum lover-of-all-things-Callaway to bid, at less than the cost of a new Callaway conversion of course. Catch 22.

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