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the Soler TC will do everything all the competitors do and MORE! ( the "more" part is why i bought one ) and it costs less money. Mike & soler performance literally built a better "mouse trap" . It is simply a no brainer if your looking for something like this.
Ill talk more about my experience and why i like his over the competition soon in a thread related to his products.
Looking forward to the review. I’ve had the Mamo TB for well over a year and have been very happy with it. Curious how one could get better.
Looking forward to the review. I’ve had the Mamo TB for well over a year and have been very happy with it. Curious how one could get better.
Iam talking mainly about the soler Throttle controller ( TC ) as compared to the others ...as far as ported throttle body i do have the soler however i have not tried the Mamo TB so i can't compare those. All i can say is my experience with soler has been very very positive with both items ive purchased.
Ill prolly post something next week...once i get more drive time in this weekend on the Soler TC.
I also had the Mamo TB, and while it improved the off-idle stumble the Soler TB virtually eliminated it.
I'm sorry to ask, but WTH does "VIRTUALLY ELIMINATED" mean? If it doesn't remove it completely then what good is it. What I mean is on my M7 there is "VIRTUALLY" no stumble now, so how can this help? Perhaps A8s have a more pronounced (really bad stumble). Not trying to make you mad just don't want to spend money on a virtual improvement. So many folks here claim they "feel" a HP increase when adding this or that product. We all know, usually, if we buy something we expect it to make car better but sometimes it's the ole placebo effect rather than "real world improvement". I did install on my '16 Z (M7) the Mammo PTB & I tried 2 of his & both threw MIL that would go away immediately when OE TB was reinstalled. So quite hesitant on my "19 Z (M7) to try another "sure thing" with the Soler PTB. Yes I do know they offer money back guarantee.
Last edited by madrob2020; Sep 21, 2019 at 10:18 PM.
Let me know the quality of the controller. I have always used Throttle Commander. But the Soler is much cheaper. As long as it is the same quality, I will go with them.
I have ordered only the TB, but plan to post my observations after installation
At some point I would like to install a Magnuson Supercharger on this car, just wondering if Soler could still be utilized in this type of setup?
Yes, it will, but would not be optimum for the SC setup, still much better than the LT1/LT4 stock. I'd recommend that you start with our modified LT5 TB instead (needs tune).
Feel free to call or e-mail to discuss details for your best plan.
madrob, the A8's don't stumble, they are just slower to react. The M7's do stumble and stall sometimes. To make sure it is not placebo, you can monitor mass airflow, manifold pressure, or power for fixed throttle positions before and after installation. The best way to make sure you don't get codes is by resetting the ECM and "teaching" the ECM your new airflow in a moderate manner.
Idling is perhaps the hardest task for the TB to accomplish, controlling minute changes in airflow to keep you running at steady low rpm's. To eliminate the stumble the car needs to react right off idle and without affecting idle. That is a very thin line we can't touch. I believe this is why some people say "virtually eliminate it". We'll bring you closer to that line as far as modern machinery permits, without touching it. It is good in as much as we can bring your car to react closer to idle. People getting an 80% or 90% improvement do appreciate it.
R3TRO, the TC works independently of TB. That is, it makes the pedal shorter and sweeps whichever throttle valve (TB) curve you have.
If you keep your stock TB it will move along the green curve. Twitchy, very non-linear as you can see. The TC there would exacerbate that behaviour. Faster tip-in? Yes. But keep that in mind.
With our modified TB, you get the linearity and smoothness of the red curve. Somewhat like paving the road for the faster sweep the TC will do. That and real power gains at every throttle position after idle, plus some other perks driver's find.
R3TRO, the TC works independently of TB. That is, it makes the pedal shorter and sweeps whichever throttle valve (TB) curve you have.
If you keep your stock TB it will move along the green curve. Twitchy, very non-linear as you can see. The TC there would exacerbate that behaviour. Faster tip-in? Yes. But keep that in mind.
With our modified TB, you get the linearity and smoothness of the red curve. Somewhat like paving the road for the faster sweep the TC will do. That and real power gains at every throttle position after idle, plus some other perks driver's find.
Thanks for the explanation... looks like I'll be getting both! After the car warms up I can't stand the lethargic, from full stop, acceleration on the street. Just want that stuck in mud feel to go away.
I installed a Sprint Booster for the ultimate in ease of installation and complete control of throttle response that you can change at the touch of a button. This gives you the ability to add and subtract throttle response from stock to extremely aggressive by just pushing the up/down buttons while idling or driving.
I had two Vitesse controls (one of each version) and both eventually gave my car fits - they would send the RPMs to max in an instant while driving along steady state and I had to shut the car down to get it to stop.
Sprint Booster has been perfect and I love the ability to tailor the throttle to traffic conditions at any time. You can turn it off anytime you want as well. It remembers the last setting you set it at.
Installation involves plugging this in between your throttle connectors at the accel pedal, running the controller wire up to the dash location you want it at and sticking it there. 5-minute install.
I placed mine here where it is easy to see and adjust while driving.
Ordered TB Sept 19, arrived in Commiefornia from Alabama in TWO DAYS via USPS!!
Unit was carefully packed with installation and "learning" instructions, and appears exactly as described and pictured - a real work of automotive engineering art.
Installation ('19 Stingray 7MT) in general was so easy a cave man could to it. The bolts use 10 mm socket, and a short wobbly extension helps in getting at the lower bolts, with the driver's side lower bolt being hidden and requiring tactile location of where the socket needs to go. The air box hose clamp uses an 8mm socket or flat blade screwdriver. Probably the only "tough" part of the job was wrestling with the rubber air box duct to allow removal/installation and to gain access to the lower bolts. That required some "encouraging" of the offending ducting...
Initial impressions
Installed the unit and started the car which idled at 1000 RPM then dropped to settle in at the required 600 after a few minutes
I did the quick learning method of 2 x three minute IDLE runs interspersed with 2 x one minute OFF intervals.
Took the car out on the freeway and then city streets to get the speed above 44 mph and slow in traffic. Put about 50 miles on the car with a dozen or so full stop/accelerate to >44 mph.
The throttle response was immediately noticeable with some minor surging/hesitation on acceleration between 1000-2000 RPM in first gear that reduced noticeably during the trip. Apparently "learnin' " was taking place. The hesitation is dramatically reduced and remains noticeable but is a minor intermittent issue likely a combination of throttle position and RPM that may disappear with mileage.
Of course the BIG plus is that the "ZONE OF CONFUSION" when starting from a stop is GONE... DISAPPEARED. The car now behaves like the other manuals I have owned in that I need not wonder "OK, what's it gonna do THIS time?" on every start from a stop. An interesting side effect is that I need to modify my clutch/gas coordination to better match the TB performance. Developed some bad habits with the OEM TB.
I expected the improvement of starting from a stop but another benefit was the smooth response at low RPM cruise...
My first impression is that Mike and his band of Alabama elves have hit a home run.
Well done!
Side note - Mostly due to the increasing presence of computers and advanced systems, I haven't done any wrenching under the hood in over a decade, but the TB looked like a no brainer... Accomplishing this simple task I discovered that the organized chaos of wiring, hardware and plumbing in the engine compartment does NOT lend itself to my usual habit of placing bolts and tools on the engine cover for ease of access, as if one of them slides OFF said cover, praying to the Almighty may be your only hope of finding the missing item... Installation time - 15 minutes. Time spent finding a mounting bolt that slid off the engine cover? 20 minutes, and I was LUCKY it didn't drop into a hole in Tadge's well designed hollow aluminum front suspension members...
I'm sorry to ask, but WTH does "VIRTUALLY ELIMINATED" mean? If it doesn't remove it completely then what good is it. What I mean is on my M7 there is "VIRTUALLY" no stumble now, so how can this help? Perhaps A8s have a more pronounced (really bad stumble). Not trying to make you mad just don't want to spend money on a virtual improvement. So many folks here claim they "feel" a HP increase when adding this or that product. We all know, usually, if we buy something we expect it to make car better but sometimes it's the ole placebo effect rather than "real world improvement". I did install on my '16 Z (M7) the Mammo PTB & I tried 2 of his & both threw MIL that would go away immediately when OE TB was reinstalled. So quite hesitant on my "19 Z (M7) to try another "sure thing" with the Soler PTB. Yes I do know they offer money back guarantee.
madrob2020, see Mike's comments above (post #29) on my "virtually eliminated" remarks. His TB is definitely better than the Mamo piece based on my personal experience.
Let me know the quality of the controller. I have always used Throttle Commander. But the Soler is much cheaper. As long as it is the same quality, I will go with them.
The end result is the same, the warranty is the same. I'd dare to say we offer more settings/options. Those are nice units, no doubt. We are offering a reasonably priced option for those who don't think smartphone connectivity is a must and do not want to spend the premium associated with everything they don't need.
Ordered TB Sept 19, arrived in Commiefornia from Alabama in TWO DAYS via USPS!!
Unit was carefully packed with installation and "learning" instructions, and appears exactly as described and pictured - a real work of automotive engineering art.
Installation ('19 Stingray 7MT) in general was so easy a cave man could to it. The bolts use 10 mm socket, and a short wobbly extension helps in getting at the lower bolts, with the driver's side lower bolt being hidden and requiring tactile location of where the socket needs to go. The air box hose clamp uses an 8mm socket or flat blade screwdriver. Probably the only "tough" part of the job was wrestling with the rubber air box duct to allow removal/installation and to gain access to the lower bolts. That required some "encouraging" of the offending ducting...
Initial impressions
Installed the unit and started the car which idled at 1000 RPM then dropped to settle in at the required 600 after a few minutes
I did the quick learning method of 2 x three minute IDLE runs interspersed with 2 x one minute OFF intervals.
Took the car out on the freeway and then city streets to get the speed above 44 mph and slow in traffic. Put about 50 miles on the car with a dozen or so full stop/accelerate to >44 mph.
The throttle response was immediately noticeable with some minor surging/hesitation on acceleration between 1000-2000 RPM in first gear that reduced noticeably during the trip. Apparently "learnin' " was taking place. The hesitation is dramatically reduced and remains noticeable but is a minor intermittent issue likely a combination of throttle position and RPM that may disappear with mileage.
Of course the BIG plus is that the "ZONE OF CONFUSION" when starting from a stop is GONE... DISAPPEARED. The car now behaves like the other manuals I have owned in that I need not wonder "OK, what's it gonna do THIS time?" on every start from a stop. An interesting side effect is that I need to modify my clutch/gas coordination to better match the TB performance. Developed some bad habits with the OEM TB.
I expected the improvement of starting from a stop but another benefit was the smooth response at low RPM cruise...
My first impression is that Mike and his band of Alabama elves have hit a home run.
Well done!
Side note - Mostly due to the increasing presence of computers and advanced systems, I haven't done any wrenching under the hood in over a decade, but the TB looked like a no brainer... Accomplishing this simple task I discovered that the organized chaos of wiring, hardware and plumbing in the engine compartment does NOT lend itself to my usual habit of placing bolts and tools on the engine cover for ease of access, as if one of them slides OFF said cover, praying to the Almighty may be your only hope of finding the missing item... Installation time - 15 minutes. Time spent finding a mounting bolt that slid off the engine cover? 20 minutes, and I was LUCKY it didn't drop into a hole in Tadge's well designed hollow aluminum front suspension members...
I couldn't have put it better myself. I did the overnight disconnected battery route and I now have 150 or more miles on mine and I did acquire some bad habits with the old tb. I swapped out my Mamo and thought I'd probably end up sending the Soler back. I was pleasantly surprised. Sold the Mamo and shipped it out Saturday. I'd decided to install the throttle controller after my event this week at VIR but you know what they say about idle hands. It was a simple install and in tour mode I like p2.5. Not sure where it needs to be for track mode but I'm guessing p1.3 or somewhere in that area.
My son made the comment leaving a stop sign today that the car started off like an automatic. He would never have said that before these 2 items from Soler were added. Neither would I. Before it was always a dance between trying to get started without spinning,stalling, or bucking. I got it right most of the time but it was never as smooth as it should have been. Now it is.
I'm sure a tune would probably do the same thing. I'm sure these 2 items are just a bandaid. I've heard all of the arguments against it. For me, I don't care. It works and it works well. The car has a completely different personality from a dead start. I like being able to leave a stoplight, on a hill, and have the car feel like it has an automatic. Next week will be my first test on track. I'll try to remember to check back in.
