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Old Apr 23, 2020 | 07:57 PM
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I just purchased a 2019 Grand Sport. Already in the shop. The car dies randomly and won't start. Anyone had issues similar to this?
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Old Apr 24, 2020 | 04:49 PM
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Well yea, rarely the same problem though.

Update what dealer finds.
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Old Apr 25, 2020 | 04:14 PM
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How pitiful... so sorry to hear such BS. Yes, please keep us updated. If we don't try to inform and take care of each other, often no one else will.
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Old Apr 25, 2020 | 04:27 PM
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I think this happened to another forum member last year. Not sure how it was resolved, but I knew it was going on for months.
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Old Apr 25, 2020 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Litfuse
I think this happened to another forum member last year. Not sure how it was resolved, but I knew it was going on for months.
If I’m thinking of the same thread as you... I believe their problem after months of having their car torn apart ended up being a short in the wiring for the auto dimming rear view mirror.
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Old Apr 26, 2020 | 09:26 AM
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Oh man something like that would suck. Hopefully this is a loose connection or shorted battery.
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Old Apr 26, 2020 | 09:59 AM
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Not mentioned but did you have a Check Engine Light? Auto or Manual? How many miles? Has it been modified? Don't press the gas pedal when restarting.
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Old Apr 26, 2020 | 10:04 AM
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Not mentioned but did you have a Check Engine Light? Auto or Manual? How many miles? Has it been modified? Don't press the gas pedal when restarting.
Not that I'm aware of. My wife and daughter were in it and it has happened to the technician working on it finally. He has a "data recorder" on it to check the codes when it happens again. It is automatic with no mods. 4000 miles on the car.
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Old Apr 26, 2020 | 10:10 AM
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Sorry to hear you are having issues. Let us know what you find out.
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Old Apr 26, 2020 | 10:46 AM
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I'd much rather them give me a new car than deal with the diagnostic nonsense.
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Old Apr 26, 2020 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Audacious Nick
I'd much rather them give me a new car than deal with the diagnostic nonsense.
I have wondered about the "Lemon Law" if it isn't fixed in a timely manner.
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Originally Posted by Mandime
I have wondered about the "Lemon Law" if it isn't fixed in a timely manner.
Now's the time to prepare, look up the LL statute in state where you live, requirements are spelled out in B&W.
BTW if your profile were filled out other members in same state who've ben through LL w/could offer their experience.
There've been a few in all states.
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Originally Posted by Mandime
I have wondered about the "Lemon Law" if it isn't fixed in a timely manner.
I would start looking into it.
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Originally Posted by Audacious Nick
I'd much rather them give me a new car than deal with the diagnostic nonsense.
That would be great! Would you be willing to pay the extra $10,000 for the car that something like that would cost?
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Originally Posted by JALLEN4
That would be great! Would you be willing to pay the extra $10,000 for the car that something like that would cost?
That would be great! Except...there's this cool thing called Lemon Law, and under certain circumstances it can be invoked.

Now, are you done?

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Sometime a bad mass airflow sensor can cause misfire and stalling.
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Originally Posted by Audacious Nick
That would be great! Except...there's this cool thing called Lemon Law, and under certain circumstances it can be invoked.

Now, are you done?
Lemon Laws are cool. You still have to get it diagnosed and usually have to let them fail three or four times. Then you get to go through the process which is just an absolute hoot!
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Old Apr 26, 2020 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JALLEN4
Lemon Laws are cool. You still have to get it diagnosed and usually have to let them fail three or four times. Then you get to go through the process which is just an absolute hoot!
The full Lemon Law process does take some time, but it's better than your car sitting for months and months. Also, some dealerships will bail before they have to deal with a Lemon Law claim.

Either way, not $10,000 and better than having to deal with a broken car with a terrible service history that may forever be broken.

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Originally Posted by Audacious Nick
The full Lemon Law process does take some time, but it's better than your car sitting for months and months. Also, some dealerships will bail before they have to deal with a Lemon Law claim.

Either way, not $10,000 and better than having to deal with a broken car with a terrible service history that may forever be broken.
Just to add some actual experience here, dealers are not involved in Lemon Law cases other than to supply any paperwork needed. The manufacturer is the party involved, pay any legal fees, pay for any settlement, and are responsible to dispose of the vehicle. As a result, dealerships are not going to "bail" and are not the adversary.

The $10,000 statement was in reference to the cost of the manufacturers simply giving people a new car when they complain and don't want to go through the warranty process as you alluded to. GM actually did an experiment with a very limited number of Cadillac dealers, many years ago, to determine what the cost would be to give the customer anything they asked for to satisfy them. The people involved that I spoke with were convinced the price of the vehicle would have to be raised a minimum of 25% to cover the cost.
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Old Apr 26, 2020 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JALLEN4
Just to add some actual experience here, dealers are not involved in Lemon Law cases other than to supply any paperwork needed. The manufacturer is the party involved, pay any legal fees, pay for any settlement, and are responsible to dispose of the vehicle. As a result, dealerships are not going to "bail" and are not the adversary.

The $10,000 statement was in reference to the cost of the manufacturers simply giving people a new car when they complain and don't want to go through the warranty process as you alluded to. GM actually did an experiment with a very limited number of Cadillac dealers, many years ago, to determine what the cost would be to give the customer anything they asked for to satisfy them. The people involved that I spoke with were convinced the price of the vehicle would have to be raised a minimum of 25% to cover the cost.
Correct, however when you mention Lemon Law the dealership can choose to act before the actual process is started. Once it is started, they are out of the equation. Either way, it's a viable option for the OP rather than resorting to simply sitting and waiting. It may not have to be the first choice, but it's better to have options than sit and be at the whim of the dealer.

Personally, I'd have dropped off all the keys and the paperwork and made them take the car back in full, then repurchased a new one. Raise enough of a stink and they'll usually do it.

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