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Old Jan 24, 2021 | 04:40 PM
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How can I ID summer only tires?
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Old Jan 24, 2021 | 04:48 PM
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If the tire doesn’t have A/S (= All Season) on the sidewall it most likely summer only.
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get the exact make/model and go either to the maker's website or to Tire Rack.
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Michelin Pilot Super Sports are summer tires.
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Old Jan 24, 2021 | 05:04 PM
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Are the Michelin Pilot Super Sports dangerous in wet conditions, ie heavy rain?
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Old Jan 24, 2021 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by johnfin
Are the Michelin Pilot Super Sports dangerous in wet conditions, ie heavy rain?
Look at the tread, and I think you'll find that it isn't optimised for rain. (Contrast the A/S 3+ tread pattern.)

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Old Jan 24, 2021 | 05:42 PM
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I saw something a few months ago on a forum talking about summer tires and they had mentioned temperature as the sure. There are 3 huge grooves in the Michelin Pilot Super Sports tires but I agree they dont look like an all weather tread.
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Old Jan 24, 2021 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by johnfin
Are the Michelin Pilot Super Sports dangerous in wet conditions, ie heavy rain?
Absolutely not. They are fine in heavy rain. Just drive as you would any car in a torrential downpour - slow down, be gentle with the wheel, look for large puddles, all standard stuff.
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Originally Posted by JohnKyJones
If the tire doesn’t have A/S (= All Season) on the sidewall it most likely summer only.
Actually "M+S" is the all-season tire marking.
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Also as a side note when driving in rain or cold: Just went to Spring Mountain and the instructors highly recommended using “Wet mode” when temps/tires are cold or in the rain.

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Originally Posted by 919cw313
Actually "M+S" is the all-season tire marking.
Yes. But on Michelin Pilot Sport A/S the A/S means All Season and is easier to see than the little print “M+S”
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Originally Posted by JohnKyJones
Yes. But on Michelin Pilot Sport A/S the A/S means All Season and is easier to see than the little print “M+S”
Great. For Michelins.
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Originally Posted by johnfin
Are the Michelin Pilot Super Sports dangerous in wet conditions, ie heavy rain?
No they are not dangerous. I have personal experience with that. Drove all the way home from Road America in probably the heaviest rain ever in my C7 Grand Sport. 45 miles. I used Weather driving mode. Hope to never have to do that again but it handled flawlessly.

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Shocking.... No one trashes the OP for even driving his C7 in the rain.......
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Originally Posted by Elk
Absolutely not. They are fine in heavy rain. Just drive as you would any car in a torrential downpour - slow down, be gentle with the wheel, look for large puddles, all standard stuff.
Exactly - just use common sense and slow down/use less throttle and the summer tires will get you through heavy rain.
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Old Jan 25, 2021 | 11:42 AM
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I've tracked PSS in the rain. They're perfectly fine on the street, but they're going to have less grip that in the rain like any other tire. You wont have problems as long as they aren't worn down driving like a reasonable human being.
Tires like Cup2 and tires like NT01, R888R, etc are probably relatively unsafe at highway speeds.

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I've tracked PSS in the rain. They're perfectly fine on the street, but they're going to have less grip that in the rain like any other tire. You wont have problems as long as they aren't worn down driving like a reasonable human being.
Tires like Cup2 and tires like NT01, R888R, etc are probably relatively unsafe at highway speeds.
Very good advice - the tread depth is what will determine the amount of water the tire can "evacuate". The speed of the vehicle and the amount of water on the road are what determines how much water needs to be evacuated or pumped out of the way. As long as the rubber is making contact with pavement - pretty much all is good. If there is too much water to evacuate (or pump) - the tire gets on top of the water, and isn't making contact with the pavement, and that's when we have a problem. Standing water on the roadway due to the deplorable condition of our roads is normally where the problem starts. Be aware that alignment angles (read that as camber) can also impact the ability of a tire to evacuate water.

Now - get those tires out when it's cool out - and there will be a noticeable loss of grip. Get them out when it's cold out - and they will not perform very well at all - probably worse than 1960's vintage bias ply rubber. Try to even move the car when it's below freezing - and you risk permanently damaging or destroying the MPS tires - and that is NOT covered under warranty.
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Originally Posted by Purple92
As long as the rubber is making contact with pavement - pretty much all is good. If there is too much water to evacuate (or pump) - the tire gets on top of the water, and isn't making contact with the pavement, and that's when we have a problem. Standing water on the roadway due to the deplorable condition of our roads is normally where the problem starts.
For what it's worth, I have noticed that on many roads, expecially asphalt, there actually are depressions where tires usually run, and sometimes you can partly adjust to this by moving over in the lane to get your tires onto higher pavement where they are less likely to hydroplane.

This used to be worse at least in Michigan years ago when studded tires were legal. The studs would grind down ruts into the road surface.


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..."Trash the OP for driving in the rain". Got a good laugh out of that. No one trashed me because they are mature and understanding, answering the original question. Not everyone pampers their $70K car, keeping it in their garage to look at. If I wanted that I would buy a 1:24 scale model, its way cheaper. My c7 is my daily driver, super fun to drive and it rains like hell in Florida. Its not about the cost. Iam the cheap guy, my co workers drive 911 convts and our bookkeeper drives a AMG GTR, those are $165K. If I die of covid at least they can say " he drove the hell out of his C7 and enjoyed it, lol. And thanks for not bashing the OP.
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