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Well the new tires are getting put on at 2pm today, they are Michelin Sport 4S in sizes 267/35zr19 and 305/30zr20. Couple questions: First, the Michelin Sport 4S - can you really not drive these below 40 degrees? I don't see it happening often, but if I want to go to a cars and coffee event - it could very well be in the 30's (but sunny) when i leave. Second question, the Conti Extreme Contact Sports in 245/35-19 and 285/30-20 are in great condition, is there a market on here to sell or should i try local to avoid shipping cost. Thanks
I wouldnt get on it in the cold with them if it talks about operating temperatures but they arnt going to fall apart if driven regularly to get somewhere.
YOu can drive the OEM tires in the cold, not -40° but down below freezing if the tires are warmed up (like sitting in a garage to start out). The cracking is due to sitting below freezing all night or extended periods of time and that hurts the tires. The fact that they are summer tires means you are driving on banana peels in the cold should be a big reason not to drive with cold tires or in cold temperatures. I'm in FLorida and the next set of tires I get will be A/S ZP tires. I might drive to Ohio in the winter and visit my son and I'll not have to worry at all about temperatures.
I love the smell of new tires in the garage in the morning... Got my new Michelin Pilot Sport All Season ZPs last April and looking forward to driving this year on those sunny cold days without worry what the temp is.
Well the new tires are getting put on at 2pm today, they are Michelin Sport 4S in sizes 267/35zr19 and 305/30zr20. Couple questions: First, the Michelin Sport 4S - can you really not drive these below 40 degrees? I don't see it happening often, but if I want to go to a cars and coffee event - it could very well be in the 30's (but sunny) when i leave. Second question, the Conti Extreme Contact Sports in 245/35-19 and 285/30-20 are in great condition, is there a market on here to sell or should i try local to avoid shipping cost. Thanks
Yes you can, but be gentle on the go paddle. Any tire you buy (for any car) will have progressively degrading performance as the temperature of the tire, the road surface and the ambient air decreases. It is not like a switch on/off situation at 40F, you will experience progressively less grip as the temperature decreases. If you are used to stomping the throttle going around a corner in summer, don't do that when it is colder. The tires have far less grip at 40F than they will have at 80F. I have driven MPSSs in Michigan winters, without issues, it can be dangerous if you are not careful and I don't recommend driving summer tires in extremes, but it can be done in a pinch if you absolutely have to, it just takes a very gentle approach to driving to make it work.
As for your second question, put it in the for sale section and see, you never know, plus it does not cost anything to put them for sale in here.
Why are you installing summer tire at the beginning of winter? I would take the tires home and store them. Then get them installed in the spring.
I live in SC so was thinking I only needed one tire, and I was certain of that until I just read the below 40 degree caution. I have a 2500 Diesel that is winter time if needed, I'm more asking what my limits are and the above responses make me feel a little better. Thank you to all for the advice. JAM
As the temps drop, traction does, too! I can easily get the TC to kick in with not much pedal action...They are also the original rears which means they are 8 years old. Car is garaged and only occasionally driven in the winter so they don't have cracks, etc. but the rubber is getting less pliant. Easy to judge compared to the one year old fronts.
You can drive carefully in temps below 40 at the cost of some traction, but if the tire temps indicate COLD, they turn into four hockey pucks with friction coefficients approaching zero.
Don't drive them in cold temperatures, it will irreparably damage the tire. Get a glass of scotch and read up on glass transition temperature. tl;dr -- the tire literally shatters internally. Pretty cool stuff.
Everyone talks about easy on the throttle, but the other side of the coin is emergency hard braking. That can happen at any time without warning and the limited traction really can ruin your day.
Everyone talks about easy on the throttle, but the other side of the coin is emergency hard braking. That can happen at any time without warning and the limited traction really can ruin your day.
This.
Do not drive summer tires in cold/freezing/winter conditions, full stop. It's dangerous.
Everyone talks about easy on the throttle, but the other side of the coin is emergency hard braking. That can happen at any time without warning and the limited traction really can ruin your day.
Could not agree more. It works both ways.
I was driving my C7 (out of town) a few years ago when a snap snow storm hit. I had my PA4 (winters) on and the car felt great. Had to hit my brakes hard when a truck made a right turn from a stop sign and I didnt have time to determine if I could change lanes. C7 stopped great but the guy behind me clearly had summer tires and was in ABS lockup coming towards me.
My motorcycle riding instincts kicked in as i always look rearward during a hard brake. I eased up to the side shoulder and avoided being rear ended.
Everyone talks about easy on the throttle, but the other side of the coin is emergency hard braking. That can happen at any time without warning and the limited traction really can ruin your day.
You are absolutely correct.
It is more important to be able to stop than to be able to go, and stopping performance of summer tires in winter is really not even acceptable.
Everyone seemed to cover all the scenarios, especially the braking. I live in the San Diego area so it is summer tires all year for me. On the rare early mornings that might be in the low thirtes, then that is what the Jeep GC is for. Every one has given great advice. Be safe.
Michelin recommends not driving on the pilot super sport tires if temps are below 20° farenheit. I would imagine the same applies to the 4s tires. Obviously drive carefully if you use them at those temps.
Michelin recommends not driving on the pilot super sport tires if temps are below 20° farenheit. I would imagine the same applies to the 4s tires. Obviously drive carefully if you use them at those temps.
I believe that the recommendation is to not drive them below 40, and to not move them below 20.