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Old Jan 23, 2014 | 09:16 PM
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I'm editing this post - I'm going to start a running list of track pad options for the Z51 C7. I will include all brands available and any comments regarding the brand and model of pad (i.e. Carbotech XP10) when reviewed by someone who has used that pad, at the track, on a C7. This could be a great reference for people looking into different models. Also, when reviewing, include where purchased and the price so people know where to go to get them. Obviously, support the supporting vendors whenever possible.

1) Carbotech
2) Ferodo
3) Cobalt
4) Porterfield R4S

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I just bought a C7 myself and will be tracking it, since this is a Brembo Caliper is it a standard pad size with them? The best race pads I have ever used are Performance Friction, hopefully they will have something coming out.

Is anybody making a backing plate yet with tubing?
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I can get you #1, 3 and also Porterfield R4S pads as well. I don't have the Carbotechs on my 7 yet, but I run them on the V and they work really well. Not sure if you saw, but I also have Racing Brake rotors that are true 2 piece with replaceable rings when you need to replace yours. They're 11lbs lighter still and have directional cooling so you don't have to mess with the "cooling rings" on factory rotors. I'll be doing a group buy as the exclusive distributor for under $1400 for all 4!

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I contacted Hawk since I really like their DTC60 and 70 series, but they have nothing yet for the C7. Coming soon I imagine. New model of Ferodo pad looks interesting, DSUNO. Part number FCP1334Z-N with a FSMI size code of D1001, which fits both base C7 and Z51 model calliper. Here are some of its characteristics from Ferodo's site:

The friction characteristic of the DSUNO compound (red curve) looks very uniform from 400C to 700C, which should make for a very good on track performance. Their DS1.11 (green curve) is the most uniform across the whole temperature range, but at a lower friction coefficient than the new DSUNO.




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I contacted Hawk since I really like their DTC60 and 70 series, but they have nothing yet for the C7. Coming soon I imagine. New model of Ferodo pad looks interesting, DSUNO. Part number FCP1334Z-N with a FSMI size code of D1001, which fits both base C7 and Z51 model calliper. Here are some of its characteristics from Ferodo's site:

The friction characteristic of the DSUNO compound (red curve) looks very uniform from 400C to 700C, which should make for a very good on track performance. Their DS1.11 (green curve) is the most uniform across the whole temperature range, but at a lower friction coefficient than the new DSUNO.



That is pretty impressive! Have you ever ran them before?
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Originally Posted by Ben@WeaponX
That is pretty impressive! Have you ever ran them before?
No, that is a totally new pad I think. I have been running Hawk DTC's for several years now. Very happy with them, but always willing to try something new.
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Yea for sure, good share. I'll see what I can do on em and hook ya up at cost for the find when you're ready
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DSUNO looks like it's certainly up most of our alleys.
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Originally Posted by NeedAVetteForVIR
The Chin march VIR trip is coming up very soon. I want at a minimum to have a back up set of track pads to go with me as I've heard people can waste a stock set in a day. I've been searching and it seems like the current options for track pads for a Z51 C7 are:

1) Carbotech
2) Ferodo
3) Cobalt

Am I missing any? I've used Hawk in the past on my Porsche and been happy (even despite the nasty dust).

Does anyone have any experience with any of these yet? None are cheap, so I'd love some first hand reviews...

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If you are running stock tires? Look at the Carbotech XP10 front and XP8 rear. This combo can be driven safely on the street and provide the braking force you need on the track. We run this combo all day long with great results. If interested I will be happy to help you let me know

When Carbotech™ unleashed the XP10™ to the general public it was an instant success. XP10™ immediately gathered multiple regional, divisional, and national championships. The XP10™ has a very strong initial bite friction material with a coefficient of friction and rotor friendliness unmatched in the industry. Fade resistance is in excess of 1650°F (898°C). Due to the high level of friction and bite, this material is recommended for cars weighing around 2,900lbs or less. XP10™ still maintains the highly praised release, excellent modulation and rotor friendliness that have made all Carbotech™ compounds so successful. Carbotech™ XP10™ is not recommended as a daily-driven street pad due to possible elevated levels of dust and noise.

A high torque brake compound with a wide operating temperature range of 200°F-1350°F+ (93°C to 732°C+). Carbotech™ XP8™ is the first of our racing compounds. Good initial bite at race temperatures, high coefficient of friction, excellent modulation and release characteristics. Extremely high fade resistance and very rotor friendly. Excellent as a front brake pad for lighter applications weighing around 2,400lbs or less. Perfect for track day use with any tire and can still be driven safely to and from the track. Carbotech™ does NOT recommended XP8™ as a daily driven street pad due to elevated levels of dust and noise. Carbotech™ XP8™ is a great compound on the front & rear of most open wheel and sports racers.
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Originally Posted by carbotech adam
If you are running stock tires? Look at the Carbotech XP10 front and XP8 rear. This combo can be driven safely on the street and provide the braking force you need on the track. We run this combo all day long with great results. If interested I will be happy to help you let me know
Adam... is there any issue with respect to swapping in XP10/8 only for track events and then back to OEM pads for the street? There was a comment on another thread that the Carbotech pads required the rotor be turned or something to that extent.
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I have a stop tech BBK on my 350z and use performance friction PFC97 for the track. I use the standard stoptech pads on the street. I use the first several laps of the day to bed the track pads, and by the end of the first session the performance is very good. The PFC97s are not great on the street though. Noisy and high rotor wear when cold. They are quiet and very long lasting when up to temp.

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I am a huge fan of PFC 01 and 08, the 08's really last. I only use 01's on my M3, I have used the DTC's, Pagid R19's and Carbotechs. PFC beats them all, I would rate the DTC's a close second.
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Adam... is there any issue with respect to swapping in XP10/8 only for track events and then back to OEM pads for the street? There was a comment on another thread that the Carbotech pads required the rotor be turned or something to that extent.
Carbotech pads need a clean surface to work properly as do all pads. So, switching back and fourth from one MFG to another is not really a good Idea. What we always recommend (Carbotech) is using the 1521 compound for the street and than you can swap to the XP series for track with no issue with out touching the rotor or turning it. All our compounds are compatible with each other so swapping back and fourth is simple, swap pads and go to the track, come home put your street pad back on with no issue. I'm guessing you only have a few thousand miles on your rotors so, I would just clean them up with some brake clean and 60 grit sand paper to get the old pad material off before putting a different MFG pads on.
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Originally Posted by carbotech adam
Carbotech pads need a clean surface to work properly as do all pads. So, switching back and fourth from one MFG to another is not really a good Idea. What we always recommend (Carbotech) is using the 1521 compound for the street and than you can swap to the XP series for track with no issue with out touching the rotor or turning it. All our compounds are compatible with each other so swapping back and fourth is simple, swap pads and go to the track, come home put your street pad back on with no issue. I'm guessing you only have a few thousand miles on your rotors so, I would just clean them up with some brake clean and 60 grit sand paper to get the old pad material off before putting a different MFG pads on.
Sounds good.
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Originally Posted by leadville1
I am a huge fan of PFC 01 and 08, the 08's really last. I only use 01's on my M3, I have used the DTC's, Pagid R19's and Carbotechs. PFC beats them all, I would rate the DTC's a close second.
I've heard and read that PFC pads are great, but I've never tried them (I love their rotors for track which I run), but they cost a bunch more than the DTC's. I have also run lots of Pagid RS19 and 29, plus Carbotech's of various grades (8-10-12). I like DTC's the best based on performance, disc wear, pad wear and price. If price is no object, then other pads might get rated better, like Endless, Project Mu, new models from Pagid and others. Quite curious about that new Ferodo compound. In the end, there are lots of good pads. Also liked Cobalt Friction pads, but supply is sometimes iffy. In the end, they all wear out quick on track if you drive the car hard, so you can try lots of different ones.
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I have used Pagid Black and Yellow for years with great results. Do they have anything comparable?
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Originally Posted by carbotech adam
If you are running stock tires? Look at the Carbotech XP10 front and XP8 rear. This combo can be driven safely on the street and provide the braking force you need on the track. We run this combo all day long with great results. If interested I will be happy to help you let me know

When Carbotech™ unleashed the XP10™ to the general public it was an instant success. XP10™ immediately gathered multiple regional, divisional, and national championships. The XP10™ has a very strong initial bite friction material with a coefficient of friction and rotor friendliness unmatched in the industry. Fade resistance is in excess of 1650°F (898°C). Due to the high level of friction and bite, this material is recommended for cars weighing around 2,900lbs or less. XP10™ still maintains the highly praised release, excellent modulation and rotor friendliness that have made all Carbotech™ compounds so successful. Carbotech™ XP10™ is not recommended as a daily-driven street pad due to possible elevated levels of dust and noise.

A high torque brake compound with a wide operating temperature range of 200°F-1350°F+ (93°C to 732°C+). Carbotech™ XP8™ is the first of our racing compounds. Good initial bite at race temperatures, high coefficient of friction, excellent modulation and release characteristics. Extremely high fade resistance and very rotor friendly. Excellent as a front brake pad for lighter applications weighing around 2,400lbs or less. Perfect for track day use with any tire and can still be driven safely to and from the track. Carbotech™ does NOT recommended XP8™ as a daily driven street pad due to elevated levels of dust and noise. Carbotech™ XP8™ is a great compound on the front & rear of most open wheel and sports racers.
If I'm only using these pads for the track, and swapping rotors and pads for street use, and using track tires, what pad would you recommend? I don't have extra tires/rims yet, but not long... It seems like the XP8 and XP10 are recommended for cars weighing less than the C7. For the use I just mentioned, would the XP 12 be a better choice?

Since I live in Virginia Beach, where LITERALLY the biggest hill I drive up and down is the exit ramp on/off the elevated highway, I may get ceramic pads for the street to keep my rims pretty... I drive like an old man on the street and barely touch the brakes.
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Originally Posted by NeedAVetteForVIR
If I'm only using these pads for the track, and swapping rotors and pads for street use, and using track tires, what pad would you recommend? I don't have extra tires/rims yet, but not long... It seems like the XP8 and XP10 are recommended for cars weighing less than the C7. For the use I just mentioned, would the XP 12 be a better choice?

Since I live in Virginia Beach, where LITERALLY the biggest hill I drive up and down is the exit ramp on/off the elevated highway, I may get ceramic pads for the street to keep my rims pretty... I drive like an old man on the street and barely touch the brakes.
If your going to a track tire than I would run XP20 if your still up in the air about the tire than start with the XP12 because that will work with the track tire and street tire. You would step up the rear to XP10.

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The latest iteration of the highly successful XP™ series of compounds. XP20™ is a step up from the highly successful XP16™ compound. With an extremely aggressive initial bite, the most linear torque curve to date and excellent fade resistance the XP20™ leads the highly successful XP™ series line of compounds from Carbotech™. XP20™ has a temperature range of 275°F to 2000°F+ (135°C to 1093°C+). Carbotech™ XP20™ maintains our tradition of having the outstanding release and modulation that has made all other Carbotech™ compounds so successful. The XP20™ as with other Carbotech™ compounds is very rotor friendly. Carbotech™ XP20™ is NOT recommended for use as a daily driven street pad due to possible elevated levels of dust and noise.
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I have a general question... I would assume the OEM pads are designed well enough for the casual track day on a Corvette. Most reviews I've read report no real fading, etc.

Has anyone tracked the car on stock pads and, if so, how did they perform? Clearly after market racing pads will be better but I would expect the stock pads in a Z51 car to be decent. Am I wrong?
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