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I am in the market for a supercharger package (kit) for my C7 A-6. Of course, I want the huge power gains, but my biggest concerns are reliability, fitment and drivability. These issues are just as important to me as the big HP numbers.

I'm not new to forced induction. I had a Magnacharger on my 5th gen Camaro. The fitment of a well engineered S/C kit should have minimum install issues and look clean and neat when completed. Also, a correctly tuned S/C should be mild mannered in everyday traffic. My wife used to "granny shift" my 2010 Camaro down the road and never knew she had 650 HP under her right foot. I loved everything about the "Maggie" and I wish I could slap one on the C7, but as we all know, they won't fit under the hood.

I want the same quality install and drivability characteristics for my C7. Therefore, if you have a ProCharger, ECS, A&A, E-Force, etc, on your C7, I would like your feedback. Please tell me about the ease, (or difficulty) of the installation, and drivability. Include whether you have the S/C manufacturers kit tune, a custom handheld tune, or a custom dyno calibration. Also, was the kit complete, i.e., were the hose routings, wiring, and clamps, neat and clean. If you wish to include your final RWHP numbers, that would be interesting, but it's not the primary info I'm looking for.

Also, please don't take this as an opportunity to bash a particular brand or vendor. I just want factual and informative feedback. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Alfie43
I am in the market for a supercharger package (kit) for my C7 A-6. Of course, I want the huge power gains, but my biggest concerns are reliability, fitment and drivability. These issues are just as important to me as the big HP numbers.

I'm not new to forced induction. I had a Magnacharger on my 5th gen Camaro. I loved everything about the "Maggie" and I wish I could slap one on the C7, but as we all know, they won't fit under the hood.

If you have a ProCharger, ECS, A&A, E-Force, etc, on your C7, I would like your feedback. Please tell me about the ease, (or difficulty) of the installation, and drivability during normal traffic driving. Include whether you have the S/C manufacturers kit tune, a custom handheld tune, or a custom dyno calibration. If you wish to include your final RWHP numbers, that would be interesting, but it's not the primary info I'm looking for.

Also, please don't take this as an opportunity to bash a particular brand or vendor. I just want factual and informative feedback. Thanks.

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For what you are trying to achieve you should go with a centrifugal supercharger (A&A/ECS/Procharger).

With these kits the car will have stock driving characteristics at lower RPM's and make the big power in the higher 3,000+ RPM's so if you drive your car like a normal person and keep RPM's low you hardly notice that the car is supercharged.

Centrifugals also require very little maintenance and it would not be that terribly difficult to go back to stock. Of the kits listed above go with the ECS kit hands down.

With any of the above mentioned superchargers you will make 550-600 RwHp minimum.

My experience is with ECS and I can say hands down that it is awesome, I'd be willing to bet that %90 agree with me on that.
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Went with A&A and very happy with that choice.

As the previous poster stated, during street driving dont even notice the car has F/I installed.
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Went with A&A and very happy with that choice.

As the previous poster stated, during street driving dont even notice the car has F/I installed.
Thank you for the replies. Perhaps, I wasn't clear in my original post. So, I've added the following to it:

I'm not new to forced induction. I had a Magnacharger on my 5th gen Camaro. The fitment of a well engineered S/C kit should have minimum install issues and looks clean and neat when completed. Also, a correctly tuned S/C should be mild mannered in everyday traffic. My wife would "granny shift" my 2010 Camaro down the road and never knew she had 650 HP under her right foot. I want the same quality install and drivability characteristics on my C7.

Therefore, if you have a ProCharger, ECS, A&A, E-Force, etc, on your C7, I would like your feedback. Please tell me about the ease, (or difficulty) of the installation, and drivability. Include whether you have the S/C manufacturers kit tune, a custom handheld tune, or a custom dyno calibration. Also, was the kit complete, i.e., were the hose routings, wiring, and clamps, neat and clean.

I am leaning towards a ProCharger. I got a nice quote from local shop for an install and dyno tune. They said their previous PC C7 install was problematic. However, I not sure about the skill and workmanship of this particular shop.
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Any of them will do what you want. They all install easy, fit well, and drive like a stock car until you floor it. I am a huge ECS fan because of the support, upgradability, and top quality parts used. Second choice would be A&A.
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Thank you for the replies. Perhaps, I wasn't clear in my original post. So, I've added the following to it:

I'm not new to forced induction. I had a Magnacharger on my 5th gen Camaro. The fitment of a well engineered S/C kit should have minimum install issues and looks clean and neat when completed. Also, a correctly tuned S/C should be mild mannered in everyday traffic. My wife would "granny shift" my 2010 Camaro down the road and never knew she had 650 HP under her right foot.

I want the same quality install and drivability characteristics that my Maggie had. Therefore, if you have a ProCharger, ECS, A&A, E-Force, etc, on your C7, I would like your feedback. Please tell me about the ease, (or difficulty) of the installation, and drivability. Include whether you have the S/C manufacturers kit tune, a custom handheld tune, or a custom dyno calibration. Also, was the kit complete, i.e., were the hose routings, wiring, and clamps, neat and clean.

I am leaning towards a ProCharger. I got a nice quote from local shop for an install and dyno tune. They said their previous PC C7 install was problematic. However, I not sure about the skill and workmanship of this particular shop.
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Ecs 1500 605rwhp/600 through an auto. There is an entire sticky thread on install by Theta. Mine is an LMR build. Dropped off on Monday picked up on Friday. 5000 miles with the build and it's running strong. You may want to call some shops for more details.
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We became a dealer for Procharger and have performed several installs on Stingrays. From first hand experience I can tell you that a Procharger is an excellent option. The install is straight forward and should not take longer than a weekend. The results are fantastic, a true 150hp increase and you can't beat the price. Best of all the kit works flawless with the factory exhaust.
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Originally Posted by Alfie43
I am in the market for a supercharger package (kit) for my C7 A-6. Of course, I want the huge power gains, but my biggest concerns are reliability, fitment and drivability. These issues are just as important to me as the big HP numbers.

I'm not new to forced induction. I had a Magnacharger on my 5th gen Camaro. The fitment of a well engineered S/C kit should have minimum install issues and look clean and neat when completed. Also, a correctly tuned S/C should be mild mannered in everyday traffic. My wife used to "granny shift" my 2010 Camaro down the road and never knew she had 650 HP under her right foot. I loved everything about the "Maggie" and I wish I could slap one on the C7, but as we all know, they won't fit under the hood.

I want the same quality install and drivability characteristics for my C7. Therefore, if you have a ProCharger, ECS, A&A, E-Force, etc, on your C7, I would like your feedback. Please tell me about the ease, (or difficulty) of the installation, and drivability. Include whether you have the S/C manufacturers kit tune, a custom handheld tune, or a custom dyno calibration. Also, was the kit complete, i.e., were the hose routings, wiring, and clamps, neat and clean. If you wish to include your final RWHP numbers, that would be interesting, but it's not the primary info I'm looking for.

Also, please don't take this as an opportunity to bash a particular brand or vendor. I just want factual and informative feedback. Thanks.

Mariano (Alfie)
The A&A and ECS kit's are top notch and have a great fit & finish to them, the procharger offering honestly doesn't look as clean mainly because of the big air filter in the engine bay. I really like how they other two use the stock airbox which looks more oem to me. You will be more than happy w/ either kit and both will provide you with years of trouble free performance as they both use high quality head unit's and perfectly machined bracket's. On the C7 w/ the electric steering rack and keyed from the factory crank pulley they make install very easy for even the diy type. As long as you follow instructions and have a basic understanding of the system there is no reason why someone couldn't do this at home. If you want to go more in depth between the two kit's available I would love to have a phone conversation w/ you and explain both from an unbiased pov.
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Originally Posted by Alfie43
I am in the market for a supercharger package (kit) for my C7 A-6. Of course, I want the huge power gains, but my biggest concerns are reliability, fitment and drivability. These issues are just as important to me as the big HP numbers.

I'm not new to forced induction. I had a Magnacharger on my 5th gen Camaro. The fitment of a well engineered S/C kit should have minimum install issues and look clean and neat when completed. Also, a correctly tuned S/C should be mild mannered in everyday traffic. My wife used to "granny shift" my 2010 Camaro down the road and never knew she had 650 HP under her right foot. I loved everything about the "Maggie" and I wish I could slap one on the C7, but as we all know, they won't fit under the hood.

I want the same quality install and drivability characteristics for my C7. Therefore, if you have a ProCharger, ECS, A&A, E-Force, etc, on your C7, I would like your feedback. Please tell me about the ease, (or difficulty) of the installation, and drivability. Include whether you have the S/C manufacturers kit tune, a custom handheld tune, or a custom dyno calibration. Also, was the kit complete, i.e., were the hose routings, wiring, and clamps, neat and clean. If you wish to include your final RWHP numbers, that would be interesting, but it's not the primary info I'm looking for.

Also, please don't take this as an opportunity to bash a particular brand or vendor. I just want factual and informative feedback. Thanks.

Mariano (Alfie)

FWIW, Maggie now makes the Heartbeat PD supercharger that will fit under the stock hood, just like the Edlebrock does. Lingenfelter installs both the Maggie and the Edlebrock, so you can contact them for pros and cons on those two if you wish. Like you, I had a Maggie on my 06 C6 and presently have a Maggie on my 10 GS and both have run perfectly.
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I have the Procharger. My car is bone stock other than their kit, their slandered tune and a catch can I installed. I have 587 RWHP an it drives like stock other than the extra HP. For me the install was a breeze. They picked it up, they installed it, they dropped it off.
I have no issues and am very happy with mine although it doesn't have the low end that your Magnacharger, it probably has a little more top end.
Good luck I'm sure you would be happy with any of the kits mentioned here.
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I think i would prefer low end torque over top end, don’t know how often I would need 180 miles an hour but I like the idea of leaving a parking lot or stop light in a hurry. which of the SC works best for low end torque. OP what do you want, low end/top end?

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Originally Posted by Alfie43
I am in the market for a supercharger package (kit) for my C7 A-6. Of course, I want the huge power gains, but my biggest concerns are reliability, fitment and drivability. These issues are just as important to me as the big HP numbers.

I'm not new to forced induction. I had a Magnacharger on my 5th gen Camaro. The fitment of a well engineered S/C kit should have minimum install issues and look clean and neat when completed. Also, a correctly tuned S/C should be mild mannered in everyday traffic. My wife used to "granny shift" my 2010 Camaro down the road and never knew she had 650 HP under her right foot. I loved everything about the "Maggie" and I wish I could slap one on the C7, but as we all know, they won't fit under the hood.

I want the same quality install and drivability characteristics for my C7. Therefore, if you have a ProCharger, ECS, A&A, E-Force, etc, on your C7, I would like your feedback. Please tell me about the ease, (or difficulty) of the installation, and drivability. Include whether you have the S/C manufacturers kit tune, a custom handheld tune, or a custom dyno calibration. Also, was the kit complete, i.e., were the hose routings, wiring, and clamps, neat and clean. If you wish to include your final RWHP numbers, that would be interesting, but it's not the primary info I'm looking for.

Also, please don't take this as an opportunity to bash a particular brand or vendor. I just want factual and informative feedback. Thanks.

Mariano (Alfie)
I have an A&A kit! Car number 3 I have owned with one installed.

The bracket and intercooler and balancer and new air staibilizer.
Put A&A ahead of the rest.

The NEW designed bracket is 1 piece and bolts on with only 4 bolts yet is unsurpassed
it is super soild!

The Balancer is a 600-700 dollar unit included much nicer and is actually better at what they do!
Utimate smoothness better for everything. blower included.

The New design intercooler well this is the best design and blocks none of the air flow!
The R&D in the kit is amazing! Way ahead of the the other 2! IMO!
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Originally Posted by garye
I think i would prefer low end torque over top end, don’t know how often I would need 180 miles an hour but I like the idea of leaving a parking lot or stop light in a hurry. which of the SC works best for low end torque. OP what do you want, low end/top end?

Your only in the "low end for a split second, then when from before you shift all the way to shifting. it's all top esp when your shifting! Hard to beat a centri power
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The A&A and ECS kit's are top notch and have a great fit & finish to them, the procharger offering honestly doesn't look as clean mainly because of the big air filter in the engine bay. I really like how they other two use the stock airbox which looks more oem to me. You will be more than happy w/ either kit and both will provide you with years of trouble free performance as they both use high quality head unit's and perfectly machined bracket's. On the C7 w/ the electric steering rack and keyed from the factory crank pulley they make install very easy for even the diy type. As long as you follow instructions and have a basic understanding of the system there is no reason why someone couldn't do this at home. If you want to go more in depth between the two kit's available I would love to have a phone conversation w/ you and explain both from an unbiased pov.
All three utilize the stock airbox, you're referring to Procharger's optional "race" intake.

One of these companies really needs to make the AFE filter & box an option rather than having to reuse the stock components.
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I have an A&A kit! Car number 3 I have owned with one installed.

The bracket and intercooler and balancer and new air staibilizer.
Put A&A ahead of the rest.

The NEW designed bracket is 1 piece and bolts on with only 4 bolts yet is unsurpassed
it is super soild!

The Balancer is a 600-700 dollar unit included much nicer and is actually better at what they do!
Utimate smoothness better for everything. blower included.

The New design intercooler well this is the best design and blocks none of the air flow!
The R&D in the kit is amazing! Way ahead of the the other 2! IMO!
Like the intercooler design. I might modify mine but I'm worried it would hit the ground driving over speed bumps.
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I want the same quality install and drivability characteristics for my C7. Therefore, if you have a ProCharger, ECS, A&A, E-Force, etc, on your C7, I would like your feedback. Please tell me about the ease, (or difficulty) of the installation, and drivability. Include whether you have the S/C manufacturers kit tune, a custom handheld tune, or a custom dyno calibration. Also, was the kit complete, i.e., were the hose routings, wiring, and clamps, neat and clean. If you wish to include your final RWHP numbers, that would be interesting, but it's not the primary info I'm looking for.
I have the A&A kit and my car on 91 with a can of Torco made 602rwhp. Which is what you should see on 93 octane in the better parts of the country.

I dropped my car off with Andy at A&A and they did the install for me so I can't speak to ease of installation but from what I've heard it's quite easy. The car drives like stock at low RPM but once you hammer it…They tuned the car on the dyno there and I'm having it retuned here to adjust a couple things but I'm really happy with the kit.

That's my $.02 I don't think you can go wrong with any of the kits on the market today. IMO just pick the company that's going to give you the best customer service, that's up to you to decide.
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I think i would prefer low end torque over top end, don’t know how often I would need 180 miles an hour but I like the idea of leaving a parking lot or stop light in a hurry. which of the SC works best for low end torque. OP what do you want, low end/top end?

Oh yah...bottom end torque, for sure. Torque is fun. If I were going to drag race my car, where your engine is in it's high rpm "happy zone", a centrifugal would be preferred.

However, I won't track my car. For street application, I think that either type, centrifugal or twin screw, would feel really similar on the a** dyno.

As for visual impact, I not big on the OEM look. I like the in-your-face look of a twin screw S/C sitting on top on the motor and fed by a chrome air tube (see the photo of the Maggie on my 2010 Camaro). However, I guess a polished centrifugal with a chrome air tube would look pretty nice under my hood too.

I will call Magnacharger tomorrow and check on the availability of their new twin screw unit. I have more calls and more research to do, but so far, due to price and availability, I'm leaning towards a ProCharger.

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