C7 engine pinging in V4 mode - is this normal?
#21
Instructor
Probably coming soon to an engine near you and maybe it will overcome some of the issues (NVH, differential wear pattern) of the current AFM system: http://www.delphi.com/manufacturers/...ivation-system
#22
I would generally agree with you with the M7 transmission but with the A8 it seems quite problematic. Modulating the torque converter clutch to reduce vibration in V4 mode appears to not work well over the long run. To date GM has released at least three torque converter revisions and now a new fluid to try to address the issues faced with the A8 concerning excessive RPM fluctuation and shudder while cruising at a steady state in V4 mode. I suspect most A8 owners would rather have additional vibration in V4 mode via a locked converter clutch rather than transmission issues.
#23
Melting Slicks
The Range afm disabler works good and makes the trans shift better. Less hesitation, etc. However, if your using Range it is best if you know how to clear trouble codes. It will throw codes occasionally. When this happens you can unplug the Range and shut off and restart the car. This will get the car out of limp mode, but it will not clear the codes. Before going to the dealer for service I would clear the codes so they don't get side tracked.
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#24
Instructor
The Range afm disabler works good and makes the trans shift better. Less hesitation, etc. However, if your using Range it is best if you know how to clear trouble codes. It will throw codes occasionally. When this happens you can unplug the Range and shut off and restart the car. This will get the car out of limp mode, but it will not clear the codes. Before going to the dealer for service I would clear the codes so they don't get side tracked.
#25
I expect in a Corvette the mileage difference between a LT1 with AFM capability and a LT1 without the AFM hardware and restrictions imposed by the system would be insignificant. VVT operation and maximum RPM are constrained by the special push rods needed for the cylinders that shut off in V4 mode and the steel torque tube and additional AFM hardware add more weight and complexity to the engine. So the LT1 isn't fully optimized for V8 operation given that it has to also work in V4 mode. What works well for a brick shaped pickup or SUV doesn't necessarily have the same efficiency gain with a platform that is already highly fuel efficient. One of the great quotes from Jurassic Park, "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should" is applicable to many things and AFM, in particular using the torque converter to cover up some of the undesired artifacts of this mode, fit with this thought from author Michael Crichton.
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Silberschnell (05-30-2017)
#26
The current version of the Range will reset the codes by "hot" plugging it (inserting it with the car already running). You can also use a code reader and I always put my code reader in whichever vehicle I take on a trip; it is about as needed in a modern vehicle as the jack and spare tire were in older vehicles.
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#28
When mine is in V4 mode, it does making some pinging type noises but it is not the same pinging found in low octane/high compression situations. I'm wondering if you're hearing that and associating the sound with pinging from predetonation.
On edit: You should try to ride in another C7 in V4 mode to see if you hear it in their car. You don't note where you live, but if you're local to the Cincy area, shoot me a PM.
On edit: You should try to ride in another C7 in V4 mode to see if you hear it in their car. You don't note where you live, but if you're local to the Cincy area, shoot me a PM.
Last edited by lakemg; 05-30-2017 at 07:28 PM.
#29
When mine is in V4 mode, it does making some pinging type noises but it is not the same pinging found in low octane/high compression situations. I'm wondering if you're hearing that and associating the sound with pinging from predetonation.
On edit: You should try to ride in another C7 in V4 mode to see if you hear it in their car. You don't note where you live, but if you're local to the Cincy area, shoot me a PM.
On edit: You should try to ride in another C7 in V4 mode to see if you hear it in their car. You don't note where you live, but if you're local to the Cincy area, shoot me a PM.
Yes, it is possible I'm misinterpreting the sound. I experienced pinging in a '93 Porsche only under full throttle, but with the C7 the pinging sound is in V4 only at low rpms under light throttle. The dealer said no codes were triggered, and that if damaging detonation occurred it would trigger them. Will try to ride in another C7 when get the opportunity. Many thanks.
#30
Melting Slicks
The current version of the Range will reset the codes by "hot" plugging it (inserting it with the car already running). You can also use a code reader and I always put my code reader in whichever vehicle I take on a trip; it is about as needed in a modern vehicle as the jack and spare tire were in older vehicles.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/ELM327-Wi...&wl13=&veh=sem
Then you plug it in the OBD2 port and connect it to Torque on your phone. You choose to read codes then choose to clear codes.
Last edited by djnice; 05-30-2017 at 07:55 PM.
#32
Melting Slicks
You can probably just drive it, have fun, and not worry about all this. It's likely the V4 mode won't be an issue for you and if it is you have warranty. I just don't like having warranty work done because of the hassle, not knowing how the car is being treated, etc.
#33
you are absolutely right - should just enjoy driving it- and I will! (although will use paddle shifters more often).
#34
Le Mans Master
Yes, it is possible I'm misinterpreting the sound. I experienced pinging in a '93 Porsche only under full throttle, but with the C7 the pinging sound is in V4 only at low rpms under light throttle. The dealer said no codes were triggered, and that if damaging detonation occurred it would trigger them. Will try to ride in another C7 when get the opportunity. Many thanks.
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#35
Le Mans Master
TSBs, pls
My 2015 Stingray A8 has a bad shudder in E mode, V4 at 1400 RPM. I have read through many posts on this so there must be a Tech Service Bulletin out on this.
Does anyone know aboutTechnical Service Bulletins for belt tensioner problems and V4 shudder / rattling?
Tks
Does anyone know aboutTechnical Service Bulletins for belt tensioner problems and V4 shudder / rattling?
Tks
Last edited by flynhi; 04-04-2018 at 10:16 AM.
#36
Race Director
You might get a better response starting a new thread. There are 2 options, the belt tensioner and the triple flush procedure of the transmission which can help the v4 issue.
#37
Heel & Toe
The Range Technology AFM Disabler solves the problem. I purchased and installed last week to address the problem. Been driving/testing everyday with excellent results.
#40
Four cylinder mode will never activate on a manual unless it is put into Eco mode.