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Old Aug 9, 2017 | 12:45 PM
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At the risk of beating a dead horse, it is 4 years since the introduction of the C7. There must be some high mileage 2014 models out there. Have those of you who are in that group experienced any noticeable reduction in engine performance or malfunctions?
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I just got my '14 last March, 91K miles on her to date (8K of those are mine). I can't tell you about any degradation in performance, but I'm going to do a cleaning in the "hopefully" near future, and I'm going to document what I find.

Not exactly what you wanted, but hopefully it'll help.

BTW, she still launches like a cat that just had its tail stepped on.

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Please do keep us informed, VetteDrmr.

Would love to see some *1st hand* experience with this on an actual C7, and yours certainly has the miles that would exhibit the problem if it exists.
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My car had ~30k miles on it the last time I had the intake manifold off and everything was looking clean & dandy down in there.
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Please do keep us informed, VetteDrmr.

Would love to see some *1st hand* experience with this on an actual C7, and yours certainly has the miles that would exhibit the problem if it exists.
Will do.

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My car had ~30k miles on it the last time I had the intake manifold off and everything was looking clean & dandy down in there.
Kracka, about how much time should I plan on to pull the intake manifold? I'm guessing it's going to take a while to clean the deposits up. I've read the sticky on it, but haven't heard directly from someone with 1st hand experience.

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Old Aug 9, 2017 | 05:44 PM
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Interested in this thread cause I have a 2014 since 3-27-2014 brand new and as a daily driver I have 15, 453 miles on it. Just last March 2017 i threw on A&A SC with meth and it is fast. it was fast before but with SC it is faster. Now that I am subscribed I will get to see what the rest of your experiences are with the valve cocking or not?
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Originally Posted by VetteDrmr
Will do.



Kracka, about how much time should I plan on to pull the intake manifold? I'm guessing it's going to take a while to clean the deposits up. I've read the sticky on it, but haven't heard directly from someone with 1st hand experience.

Have a good one,
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For your first time doing it, plan on 2 hours to R&R the intake manifold. The more you do it, the quicker you'll get at it. I've swapped on various ported intake manifolds and show zero signs of oil coking on the valves.
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I don't have that many miles on my 2016 Z06 but my first gas DI vehicles was a 2008 Cadillac CTS with the 3.6L DI and when I traded it in at 80K the highway and overall mileage was the same as it was when I brought it home new and there was no noticeable change in power.

Some DI engines, like some of the early BMW efforts, were very poorly designed and had major coking issues but I haven't run into that with any of my GM gas DI engines (2008 CTS, 2014 ATS, 2016 Z06).
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Originally Posted by NSC5
I don't have that many miles on my 2016 Z06 but my first gas DI vehicles was a 2008 Cadillac CTS with the 3.6L DI and when I traded it in at 80K the highway and overall mileage was the same as it was when I brought it home new and there was no noticeable change in power.

Some DI engines, like some of the early BMW efforts, were very poorly designed and had major coking issues but I haven't run into that with any of my GM gas DI engines (2008 CTS, 2014 ATS, 2016 Z06).
Those people that purchased catch cans for their C7 and now have to empty them out every so often I wonder how they feel about their purchase now?
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In all my experience in modding cars, hosting dyno time, etc. over the past two decades I've seen catch-cans do more harm than good. Not necessarily because catch-cans are bad, but because the majority aren't installed and/or setup properly. In a few instances, I've actually seen them lead to blow-by and oil consumption in an otherwise fine engine.

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Originally Posted by NSC5
I don't have that many miles on my 2016 Z06 but my first gas DI vehicles was a 2008 Cadillac CTS with the 3.6L DI and when I traded it in at 80K the highway and overall mileage was the same as it was when I brought it home new and there was no noticeable change in power.

Some DI engines, like some of the early BMW efforts, were very poorly designed and had major coking issues but I haven't run into that with any of my GM gas DI engines (2008 CTS, 2014 ATS, 2016 Z06).
I have 2010 Mini Cooper S and had to have it walnut blasted last year. It only had about 45k miles on it it idled and ran rough. After getting it cleaned up it was like having a new car. Minis are pretty well known for having coking and high oil consumption issues.

I will say that you can certainly feel the difference when the valves are coked up.

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I have 2010 Mini Cooper S and had to have it walnut blasted last year. It only had about 45k miles on it it idled and ran rough. After getting it cleaned up it was like having a new car. Minis are pretty well known for having coking and high oil consumption issues.

I will say that you can certainly feel the difference when the valves are coked up.

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The same is very true of at least the older BMW direct injection engines, there is no question of when it is time to walnut blast them because you cannot ignore the obvious change in operation.

All DI engines will get some "cosmetic" coking with age but in some designs the problem is far more than cosmetic.

For those who didn't see the earlier Ask Tadge question about valve coking it is here: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...on-valves.html

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Originally Posted by smajicek
Those people that purchased catch cans for their C7 and now have to empty them out every so often I wonder how they feel about their purchase now?
Feel fine and thanks for asking.

I'm not worried at all about any coking issues, are you?

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I'm not worried at all about any coking issues, are you?
Nope
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Originally Posted by NSC5
I don't have that many miles on my 2016 Z06 but my first gas DI vehicles was a 2008 Cadillac CTS with the 3.6L DI and when I traded it in at 80K the highway and overall mileage was the same as it was when I brought it home new and there was no noticeable change in power.

Some DI engines, like some of the early BMW efforts, were very poorly designed and had major coking issues but I haven't run into that with any of my GM gas DI engines (2008 CTS, 2014 ATS, 2016 Z06).
When you Google valve coking on DI engines you find all sorts of issues with BMWs and VWs and basically none with GM engines. Their design seems to work and they have put several million DI engines on the road since 2007.

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