Note that these are liter not quart containers. If you just count bottle you will have overfill.
10 L = 10.6 qts
7 L = 7.4 qts

 

yea my dealer was aware of that and put the correct amount in. It will be interesting to see how 0w40 is packaged for retail. I would like to eventually see it in 5qt containers.

 

Anyone considering using the Amsoil AFLQT Euro 5W-40 Improved ESP Synthetic Oil?

It is Dexos2 compliant.

A little more viscosity than the Mobil 1 ESP 0w40 (and a little closer to the 15w50 specs for those who want to track).

Specs information for the Amsoil AFL Euro ESP 5W-40, Mobil 1 ESP and Mobil 1 15W-50 in pictures below.

Thoughts from the forum?

Seems like the Amsoil AFL Euro ESP 5W-40 might be a better all around oil for street and track use?









Amsoil AFL 5W-40 specs - AFL (far right column) You can see the Dexos2 as well in the Applications section.



Mobil 1 ESP 0W-40 specs



Mobil 1 15W-50 Specs

 

^^ the problem with that Amsoil is that it does NOT have the dexos2 certification, otherwise it would have the dexos2 logo on the bottle. It simply says "recommended for vehicles specifying any of the following:" and then lists dexos2 as one of them. They did not pay to have the certification, therefore GM could deny any warranty claim if someone were to use this oil.

That's why I'm running the oil below, it's the 5w30 version of M1 ESP and it has the dexos2 label on it:

 

Ah, I see. "Approved" versus "meeting specification."

Makes sense.

 

Unfortunately it's a little game that a lot of oil companies will do in order to make people think that they have the proper approvals, but they haven't spent the money to actually get them. It also means that technically speaking the oils are good enough and would meet those specs if they paid for the certification though. So for anyone out of warranty, they could safely run it with confidence.

 

I talked to my dealer parts department today as I was picking up a new oil cap that has 0W40 Mobil 1 Dexos printed on it. I asked the counter guy if they had any of the new oil and he hadn't heard of it. He went and checked and found they only had Dexos 5W30 and a lot of it. He didn't believe they were ever going to order any and this was the first time he had heard the 2019s had a different oil requirement.

Bill

 

For track use, you need the HTHS number and in some cars* the ZDDP number.

HTHS is basically viscosity at 305ºF (instead of 210ºF) but stresses the shear stability.

ZDDP is a sacrificial film that self deposits above 215ºF so when heavy loads occur the film wipes off leaving the original metal (bearing stuff) preserved.

(*) older flat tappet and some hydraulic tappet designs.

 

Jimman has 104,000 miles in his Z06 with 5w30 and no issues.

How much did you guys pay for the ESP 0W40?

 

The Wix WL10290xp is an upgrade and has the correct set pressure also.

 

I agree totally that the 5W-40 is more suitable for the conditions most of us live and drive in. I see no need for 0W (with all the VMs that requires) ... can't even drive the tires under 20 degrees F, where 5W is perfectly fine. Here is another "Euro" 5W-40 alternative that is also Dexos certified.




My next change I will use that, or one of the other (Like Penzzoil Platinum) 5w-40 products. I am not worried about the Dexos business. It seems the mfgs normally only pay for the cert for the weights that come with the cars from the OEM. For some reason Valvoline is an exception here. The Penzzoil meets all the high end German Euro specs and is "used by" (but not certified by) Ferrari. Good enough for me. I suspect the oil is essentially identical to the same product line Dexos weights next to it on the shelf.

The only down side I see is that none of the 5W-40 oils appear to be offered in 5Qt/L bottles. Sold individually or 6 packs of quarts.

[QUOTE=z07gs2017;1597257746]Anyone considering using the Amsoil AFLQT Euro 5W-40 Improved ESP Synthetic Oil?

It is Dexos2 compliant.

A little more viscosity than the Mobil 1 ESP 0w40 (and a little closer to the 15w50 specs for those who want to track).

Specs information for the Amsoil AFL Euro ESP 5W-40, Mobil 1 ESP and Mobil 1 15W-50 in pictures below.

Thoughts from the forum?

 

That Amsoil 5w40 is simply "recommended" for applications that need dexos2, but be very careful, as it does not have the dexos2 logo. They did not pay for the proper certification, and it's really not dexos2 compliant as a result. Therefore you could run into warranty issues if you run this oil.

 

You all should understand that GM just didn't decide to switch to a 40 weight oil. Oils today have many characteristics that are not easily described by looking at the 5w40, 0w40, 5w30 logos.

Not all 0w40 oils will have the same viscosity when warm. This is more of a viscosity "range". You really need to look into the details. Just because the new 0w40 Mobil 1 EP that is Dexos certified is the new factory fill and backwards compatible, it does not mean any other 0w40 or 5w40 oil will perform the same and is recommended for daily use.

Example, Rotella T6 5w40 is a thicker oil at temp vs Castrol 5w40. I would NEVER run Rotella 5w40 in my vette for daily use. It's too thick and would affect fuel mileage and potentially wear factor.

 

Agree on the Rotella... but the ones I am looking at are very close in hot (100C) kinematic viscosity to the Mobil 1.

Mobil 1 esp 0w-40 12.9, Valvoline MST advanced 5W-40 (which is dexos) 13.1, and Pennzoil Platinum 5W-40 (not dexos) 13.3. All against the same ASTM standard. You can decide for yourself if that is significant. The main difference is at lower temps which is to be expected comparing 5W to 0W.

 

yessir, you are right on the money!

 

The time has come for a hard charger moderator to make a
Mobil 1 ESP 0W40 oil sticky and close ALL others.

 

Just had my oil changed to ESP 0w-40 at the dealer. Asked the dealer how may cars they did so far and they said mine was the first. The dealer is not expecting many cars to use the new oil so they are ordering it in quarts. The price is high $15.22 per quart. What prices has other members paid?

 

I had my third free oil change with 0W-40 and no up charge. Paid $12 for spare qt.

 

I just had the same experience with my local dealer. They never heard of the 0-40. Check with the parts manager and service manager. I am not tracking so I will go with the 5w30 for my 500 mile oil change.