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could someone explain to me the ins and outs of the rear hatch open mechanism on a 2014 to me? i know gm went to a completely new system from the c6 and then abandoned it staring in 2016. i’m having issues with mine and need to learn all i can. my hatch unlocks but doesn’t pop up. i must use a screwdriver or something to lift the bottom edge up enough to get a couple fingers under to lift the hatch all the way open.
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Spent a lot of time with my September 2013 built C7 trying to adjust it so I didn’t have to have the door open to have it latch! After over a year nothing worked so just always had the door open when I closed It! That was due to air pressure which GM solved by reverting back to what worked in 2016, a motorized pull down like my C6! :l
That said, there are rubber stops on the edges of the hatch, could try adjusting until it’s not flush and see if that works. My guess is not, never helped my situation adjusted for a gap up and down.
The other has a better chance of working. Losen the two screws that hold the hasp. Not easy as they are tight. GM recommends making them just snug and closing the hatch a few times to get it aligned. You can just move it in both directions and see if that helps.. There could be excess friction holding it down. Worth a try.
If you get it working, don’t push to latch! Many reports of paint cracking and a few the lower hatch frame cracking. As “materials” are my business when I saw that lower hatch frame member bend when I pushed the first time I stoped! Plastic composites have a fatigue limit, like steel etc. Flex it enough and small cracks inherent in any material will grow bigger!
i just messed with it again and got it to twork. what is happening is the fulcrum (hammer or whatever you want to call it) tends to shift until it will no longer function. the fulcrum attaches to the bracket via a spot rivet that goes through the fulcrum. the fulcrum then pivots on that. problem is there is too much slop where the fulcrum pivots allowing it to move to far one way or the other. too far one way and it won’t work. too far the other way and it gets too close to the lock/unlock mechanism and the the hatch won’t close and lock. since the fulcrum that pops the hatch up is part of the bracket, the entire bracket must be replaced. my gm extended warranty won’t cover it because they say they don’t cover brackets even though it’s an entire assembly that just happens to have a bracket as part of said assembly. i’m trying to figure out how i can get the fulcrum to stay in the sweet spot and not move too far in one direction or the other. plastic spacers would probably work but the shaft the fulcrum pivots on is part of a pop rivet and not a nut/ bolt type of thing. would have to force something onto the shaft itself that would keep the fulcrum from moving laterally when the hatch was opened. the other possibility is to replace the bracket assembly myself. i can get the part from gm parts direct for around $60. one dealer i took it to wanted over $600 to change it. said there is 4.5hrs labor involved. don’t know why as all one needs to do is pop off the rear interior trim panel and the entire mechanism is right there attached by four torx screws. ah, the joys of ownership! 😁
Not sure I fully follow but think so. Could you drill out the rivet and replace with a nut and bolt? Would that leave enough room.[/QUOTE]
leave enough room? i don’t follow. what is happening is the length of the rivets shaft is too long relative to the width of the fulcrum. needs to be more snug yet not so much as to the impede the fulcrum from moving with enough force to kick the hatch edge enough to get a hand under it. i think the best way to go would be to find a rubber washer of the proper width to take up the extra slop of the shaft. would need to cut a slit in the washer so it could be fitted over the shaft and a light grease applied to keep,the fulcrum from binding and slowing it down when the latch is unlocked. hopefully the washer would then keep the fulcrum from moving too much to prevent it from working correctly yet not prevent the upward motion needed to do its job of popping up the bottom edge of the hatch. it’s kinda hard to explain the principle at work here.
Not sure I fully follow but think so. Could you drill out the rivet and replace with a nut and bolt? Would that leave enough room.
leave enough room? i don’t follow. what is happening is the length of the rivets shaft is too long relative to the width of the fulcrum. needs to be more snug yet not so much as to the impede the fulcrum from moving with enough force to kick the hatch edge enough to get a hand under it. i think the best way to go would be to find a rubber washer of the proper width to take up the extra slop of the shaft. would need to cut a slit in the washer so it could be fitted over the shaft and a light grease applied to keep,the fulcrum from binding and slowing it down when the latch is unlocked. hopefully the washer would then keep the fulcrum from moving too much to prevent it from working correctly yet not prevent the upward motion needed to do its job of popping up the bottom edge of the hatch. it’s kinda hard to explain the principle at work here.
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Sounds like what I would try before spending money with the dealer!
Again not sure I am following accurately but sounds like the rivet has worn. Could you get a "C" clamp around and squeeze it a bit?? Perhaps a hammer and punch would bend part of the rivet head to tighten the gap. Don't need the whole rivet head to move just a few points and some grease to stop more wear?? Not sure if what I said makes any sense, you're looking at it!
Out in garage to install a MGW shifter. Looked at my Grand Sort and think I see the rivet you're talking about. i'd still try moving the hasp that is connected to the hatch bottom frame. Perhaps you can move it slightly so it doesn't rub.
I recall now you need the proper bit, looks like large Torx. Get one that fits a 1/4 inch drive ratchet wrench. You'll have to use a lot of pressure as I recall as it is tight!
This is what GM recommended as a try to fix the hatch won't latch issue.
Loosen screws and make snug. Then close several times to center hasp in latch. Then tighten. In your case move in whatever direction you ant then tighen. That plate moves all over and is clamped on the lower hatch frame with a plate above.
By the way that did not help me nor did checking the vent thorough the hole behind the license plate etc etc. All worked. But I found it funny, the GM bulletin to dealers said at the end. Lower both windows 3 inches and try to latch. If it does tell owner it's working as designed! Folks were warned at Museaum Delivery in 2013 NOT to push in the center to latch as there were reports of paint cracking! In 2014 I recall at least two forum reports where the lower hatch cracked from pushing to latch!
What is funny is some cars worked fine. There was even a video that showed how (although not sure that fellow did not have the passenger window open!) My favorite statement on posts where folks said I was not strong enough etc etc was "Happiness Is A Tight Vette! (I recall several times posting pics of my home gym where this 75 year old exercises 7 days a week and have been for ~35 years. On back day I do three sets of 10 pull-ups! On arm and chest day I do 3 sets of 10 tricep pushdowns! Can do with 80 pounds but typically use somewhat less! Not trying to build more mussel now, just staying in shape.) Bottom line it was the air pressure in the car that caused the closing issue and the vent operated with the "magic memory wire" GM hyped as so innovative that was just not large enough!
When I sold mine after 3 1/2 years I could still not latch, even slamming to latch. BUT if I had my door open I could stand behind it and from the side with one finger push down on the hatch and it closed and latched! The power of small air pressure differences when over a large area! GM finally gave up and used what I had in my C6, a motorized pull down! Turns out that only added 1 1/2 pounds which was touted the big reason for using the vent in the first place!
i don’t think the hasp is rubbing. what pops the hatch is the top of the fulcrum hitting the hasp pushing up the hatch. i think what is happening with mine is occasionally, when closing the hatch, the hasp comes down and contacts the fulcrum and pushes it back down. but because of the extra slop at the rivet, it can also push the fulcrum back just enough to cause it to misalign. then it won’t function the next time the hatch is opened, as far as the air pressure thing goes, i’m not even concerned with that. it’s kind of a pain but not a big deal like not being able to get the hatch open is. i’m afraid if i start messing with the rivet there is a good chance i’ll break it right off the bracket and then i’ll be forced to replace the entire assembly. by gm abandoning the system in 2016 for the old system proves they made a mistake. the fact that they refused to step up and take care of customers having problems with the failed system speaks volumes about them.
Admittedly, I didn't read all of the above, but if the main functional issue is the lid/hatch "popping up," in similar situations I have gotten or punched-out approximately quarter-sized high-density foam pieces of perhaps 1/2" to 3/4" thick. Then, just silicone two or three in place, one each at a bottom/rear corner (and, sometimes a third in the center) where they are compressed and are out of sight when the lid is closed. If good foam, it will pop-up the unlatched hatch and do so for quite a long time. All the best.
Admittedly, I didn't read all of the above, but if the main functional issue is the lid/hatch "popping up," in similar situations I have gotten or punched-out approximately quarter-sized high-density foam pieces of perhaps 1/2" to 3/4" thick. Then, just silicone two or three in place, one each at a bottom/rear corner (and, sometimes a third in the center) where they are compressed and are out of sight when the lid is closed. If good foam, it will pop-up the unlatched hatch and do so for quite a long time. All the best.
interesting thought. i also considered looking for a pair of lift supports strong enough to lift the hatch enough to be able to get a couple of fingers underneath the bottom edge.
. by gm abandoning the system in 2016 for the old system proves they made a mistake. the fact that they refused to step up and take care of customers having problems with the failed system speaks volumes about them.
It was an interesting dilemma for them. They had ~100 IVERS as they were called preproduction cars they operated for a year or so before actual production. Marketing also hyped the "Magic memory wire activated vent" as a weight saver and user of GM's patented technology! Some forum members said it worked fine and there cars did. Was told the hatch gasket will wear in, mine was just not adjusted and others just pushed in the center of the lower hatch frame to latch. One dealer said he had 75% of those he sold with paint cracks from that lower hatch frame cracking! Not sure what percentage of us had the no latch issue but from forum comments by the vocal minority I'd estimate over 25%.
Appears to me cars that worked had air leaks somewhere, hatch or door seals etc. As mentioned when I sold mine after 3 1/2 years you could slam all you could and no latch. With my door open, which I learned to do by habit, I would stand just behind the open door and push down modestly from full height on the side with just enough force to get it started and it closed and latched fine! In fact even on my Grand Sport it will typically not latch with the doors close unless I push slightly down. Not like the push needed in the 2014 where I watched the lower hatch frame bend. However because of my 3 1/2 year learned habit, I often still stand behind my open door and use one hand pushing slightly from full open and it closes and latches every time!
I'm sure GM tried to solve the issue and understand why some cars worked with the magic memory wire rear vent! Just never told us! A book on the C7 innovations said the vent versus motorized pull down saved 1 1/2 pounds! It was in a section showing all things done to cut weight showing 1 1/2 pounds was significant! In fairness, the only solution was probably to made the cars less air tight! They were repainting hatches that had cracked pint and the few reported that had hatch cracks while on warranty. For the 2014/15's now out of warranty I sure would not push to latch if it required any significant force. Having an open door just requires planning! Usually if closing the latch I was getting into of leaving the car. Just close the hatch before the door!