LT1 Valve drop?
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LT1 Valve drop?
Hello all, I bought a 2016 M7 Z51 a few months ago and I am planning on building it over the next year or two. Goal is to make 850-900whp with a V3TI. Car is currently stock.
I've been trying to read up on the LT1 heads but there are not many forum posts on them. From what I've learned, the heads on the LT1 have almost the exact same issue as the LS7 heads with dropping valve seats/valves.
With that being said, what good options are there for aftermarket LT1 heads that are affordable? Not looking for a set of 4-5k heads.
My first round of mods will be GPI drop in rotating assembling, BTR stage 3 cam, head work, and DSX flex fuel kit, then when I have the $$ do the V3TI and MSD/LT5 TB and fueling.
I've been trying to read up on the LT1 heads but there are not many forum posts on them. From what I've learned, the heads on the LT1 have almost the exact same issue as the LS7 heads with dropping valve seats/valves.
With that being said, what good options are there for aftermarket LT1 heads that are affordable? Not looking for a set of 4-5k heads.
My first round of mods will be GPI drop in rotating assembling, BTR stage 3 cam, head work, and DSX flex fuel kit, then when I have the $$ do the V3TI and MSD/LT5 TB and fueling.
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Hello all, I bought a 2016 M7 Z51 a few months ago and I am planning on building it over the next year or two. Goal is to make 850-900whp with a V3TI. Car is currently stock.
I've been trying to read up on the LT1 heads but there are not many forum posts on them. From what I've learned, the heads on the LT1 have almost the exact same issue as the LS7 heads with dropping valve seats/valves.
With that being said, what good options are there for aftermarket LT1 heads that are affordable? Not looking for a set of 4-5k heads.
My first round of mods will be GPI drop in rotating assembling, BTR stage 3 cam, head work, and DSX flex fuel kit, then when I have the $$ do the V3TI and MSD/LT5 TB and fueling.
I've been trying to read up on the LT1 heads but there are not many forum posts on them. From what I've learned, the heads on the LT1 have almost the exact same issue as the LS7 heads with dropping valve seats/valves.
With that being said, what good options are there for aftermarket LT1 heads that are affordable? Not looking for a set of 4-5k heads.
My first round of mods will be GPI drop in rotating assembling, BTR stage 3 cam, head work, and DSX flex fuel kit, then when I have the $$ do the V3TI and MSD/LT5 TB and fueling.
if the heads did have issues, the internet would light up, just like it did with LS7.
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LT1s do not have the same issue as the LS7 which was about the valve guides (hence the “wiggle test”). The only LT1 issue has been broken valve springs. Even that is few and far between when you consider the 10s of thousands of cars out there. You’ll be replacing the factory springs due to the cam you’ve selected.
if the heads did have issues, the internet would light up, just like it did with LS7.
if the heads did have issues, the internet would light up, just like it did with LS7.
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Not an LS7 type failure and without knowing hp levels and rpm, who knows the cause.
Regardless, if I was going to run 700+hp, I sure wouldn’t skimp on the heads. Fast, cheap, reliable….pick any two.
Regardless, if I was going to run 700+hp, I sure wouldn’t skimp on the heads. Fast, cheap, reliable….pick any two.
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I saw that post too. It’s the first I have heard of it but he’s a big name with the LT1 so I’m sure he’s seen it. As mentioned, no idea what conditions these engines were run under. Hopefully it’s not a huge deal as I just finished getting my cam/heads done with stock valves.
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I saw that post too. It’s the first I have heard of it but he’s a big name with the LT1 so I’m sure he’s seen it. As mentioned, no idea what conditions these engines were run under. Hopefully it’s not a huge deal as I just finished getting my cam/heads done with stock valves.
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I saw that post too. It’s the first I have heard of it but he’s a big name with the LT1 so I’m sure he’s seen it. As mentioned, no idea what conditions these engines were run under. Hopefully it’s not a huge deal as I just finished getting my cam/heads done with stock valves.
JW (big ctsv tuner now focusing on LT) also ran into a similar issue.
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....and it clearly says when porting the heads.
As soon as you start messing with the factory stuff like that, all bets are off. If you use the factory heads "as is" with the exception of the correct valve springs, it's exceedingly rare to find a problem. There are probably 100k+ Gen V LT1s out there running around. If there were head problems like the LS7, you'd know about it. The LS7 issues were on Stock heads on Stock motors.
You've already decided that there's an issue. As such, have the heads worked.
Guess what. Here's what's in mine.....
As soon as you start messing with the factory stuff like that, all bets are off. If you use the factory heads "as is" with the exception of the correct valve springs, it's exceedingly rare to find a problem. There are probably 100k+ Gen V LT1s out there running around. If there were head problems like the LS7, you'd know about it. The LS7 issues were on Stock heads on Stock motors.
You've already decided that there's an issue. As such, have the heads worked.
Guess what. Here's what's in mine.....
FED LT1 Ported Cylinder Heads
CNC Port, CNC Valve Job
Hand Blend, Surface 0.010"
Hand Blend, Surface 0.010"
Del-West Titanium Intake Valves
Manley Stainless Exhaust Valves
Bronze Valve Guides
.660 Dual LSX Spring Kit w/ Titanium Retainers.
I'm around 560 at the wheels.Manley Stainless Exhaust Valves
Bronze Valve Guides
.660 Dual LSX Spring Kit w/ Titanium Retainers.
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LT1s do not have the same issue as the LS7 which was about the valve guides (hence the “wiggle test”). The only LT1 issue has been broken valve springs. Even that is few and far between when you consider the 10s of thousands of cars out there. You’ll be replacing the factory springs due to the cam you’ve selected.
if the heads did have issues, the internet would light up, just like it did with LS7.
if the heads did have issues, the internet would light up, just like it did with LS7.
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Brett (Pray Porting) has said that it is a combination of the increased RPM above the stock RPM limit along with the cam lobe being very aggressive on some cams causing the valves to jump and slam into the valve seats which eventually can cause the issues with chipping the seats.
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Sure as heck hope stock LT1 heads rarely have valve issues - that would be a real PITA.
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....and it clearly says when porting the heads.
As soon as you start messing with the factory stuff like that, all bets are off. If you use the factory heads "as is" with the exception of the correct valve springs, it's exceedingly rare to find a problem. There are probably 100k+ Gen V LT1s out there running around. If there were head problems like the LS7, you'd know about it. The LS7 issues were on Stock heads on Stock motors.
You've already decided that there's an issue. As such, have the heads worked.
Guess what. Here's what's in mine.....
As soon as you start messing with the factory stuff like that, all bets are off. If you use the factory heads "as is" with the exception of the correct valve springs, it's exceedingly rare to find a problem. There are probably 100k+ Gen V LT1s out there running around. If there were head problems like the LS7, you'd know about it. The LS7 issues were on Stock heads on Stock motors.
You've already decided that there's an issue. As such, have the heads worked.
Guess what. Here's what's in mine.....
FED LT1 Ported Cylinder Heads
CNC Port, CNC Valve Job
Hand Blend, Surface 0.010"
Hand Blend, Surface 0.010"
Del-West Titanium Intake Valves
Manley Stainless Exhaust Valves
Bronze Valve Guides
.660 Dual LSX Spring Kit w/ Titanium Retainers.
I'm around 560 at the wheels.Manley Stainless Exhaust Valves
Bronze Valve Guides
.660 Dual LSX Spring Kit w/ Titanium Retainers.
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LT1s do not have the same issue as the LS7 which was about the valve guides (hence the “wiggle test”). The only LT1 issue has been broken valve springs. Even that is few and far between when you consider the 10s of thousands of cars out there. You’ll be replacing the factory springs due to the cam you’ve selected.
if the heads did have issues, the internet would light up, just like it did with LS7.
if the heads did have issues, the internet would light up, just like it did with LS7.
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Bumping this thread since my LT1 dropped an intake valve about 2 weeks ago when I was at VIR.
As I drove onto the back straight, I shifted from 3 to 4 and heard pop. Smoke out the back, put it in neutral, reduced power and flashing engine light, then the motor died.
My mechanic found my #2 intake valve dropped, the crunched up remains of the valve stem were in my throttle body! Bone stock engine, approximately 36,000 miles on a 2014 Z51. Most of the failures I have read about dropping valves seem to be on earlier LT1s.
Any chance they made some improvements over the years to address this? Most likely going with a new long block from GM to get the car running again. If not, is there anything that can be done other than aftermarket heads? Take off the valve covers and manually inspect every valve and valve spring periodically?
As I drove onto the back straight, I shifted from 3 to 4 and heard pop. Smoke out the back, put it in neutral, reduced power and flashing engine light, then the motor died.
My mechanic found my #2 intake valve dropped, the crunched up remains of the valve stem were in my throttle body! Bone stock engine, approximately 36,000 miles on a 2014 Z51. Most of the failures I have read about dropping valves seem to be on earlier LT1s.
Any chance they made some improvements over the years to address this? Most likely going with a new long block from GM to get the car running again. If not, is there anything that can be done other than aftermarket heads? Take off the valve covers and manually inspect every valve and valve spring periodically?
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Bumping this thread since my LT1 dropped an intake valve about 2 weeks ago when I was at VIR.
As I drove onto the back straight, I shifted from 3 to 4 and heard pop. Smoke out the back, put it in neutral, reduced power and flashing engine light, then the motor died.
My mechanic found my #2 intake valve dropped, the crunched up remains of the valve stem were in my throttle body! Bone stock engine, approximately 36,000 miles on a 2014 Z51. Most of the failures I have read about dropping valves seem to be on earlier LT1s.
Any chance they made some improvements over the years to address this? Most likely going with a new long block from GM to get the car running again. If not, is there anything that can be done other than aftermarket heads? Take off the valve covers and manually inspect every valve and valve spring periodically?
As I drove onto the back straight, I shifted from 3 to 4 and heard pop. Smoke out the back, put it in neutral, reduced power and flashing engine light, then the motor died.
My mechanic found my #2 intake valve dropped, the crunched up remains of the valve stem were in my throttle body! Bone stock engine, approximately 36,000 miles on a 2014 Z51. Most of the failures I have read about dropping valves seem to be on earlier LT1s.
Any chance they made some improvements over the years to address this? Most likely going with a new long block from GM to get the car running again. If not, is there anything that can be done other than aftermarket heads? Take off the valve covers and manually inspect every valve and valve spring periodically?
It's my understanding that the earlier LT1's including mine had yellow springs and that they were changed to blue springs which I have now . Not sure if the blue springs are any better as you still hear about LT1 motors breaking springs
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So it's my understanding that in the early days of the LT1/4 that the cams available at the time had in essence LS lobe profiles that were causing the valve to bounce on the seat.
Thus hammering the seats, leading to dropped seats. Once this was understood and the spintron data was analyzed LT friendly lobes were created and the issue is all but gone today.
Shoe
Thus hammering the seats, leading to dropped seats. Once this was understood and the spintron data was analyzed LT friendly lobes were created and the issue is all but gone today.
Shoe
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So it's my understanding that in the early days of the LT1/4 that the cams available at the time had in essence LS lobe profiles that were causing the valve to bounce on the seat.
Thus hammering the seats, leading to dropped seats. Once this was understood and the spintron data was analyzed LT friendly lobes were created and the issue is all but gone today.
Shoe
Thus hammering the seats, leading to dropped seats. Once this was understood and the spintron data was analyzed LT friendly lobes were created and the issue is all but gone today.
Shoe
The spring breakage was addressed when they changed to the blue springs , but it remains to be seen ....
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As far as the valve seat issues this is the first time I have heard that and I am not sure what an LT friendly lobe is .... I have not heard of any changes being made to the stock cam profile
Do you have a link to this .....
Dave