LT4 an LSA Replacement?
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LT4 an LSA Replacement?
Just a thought based off of our good friend Keeks info on the LT4 he gave us late last year. He did mention that the LT4 would be possibly used in a future version of the Camaro ZL1 also. With that said, do you believe that GM has developed the LT4 as a multiple platform powerplant to save costs? The LSA was used in a couple different applications to save costs, the ZL1 and the CTS-V.
I could see the LT4 as an LSA replacement used in a couple different applications (Z06, ZL1, CTS-V) in order to keep costs down and avoid the high expense of the previous gen high performance powerplants (LS7 and LS9). I know that may bother some, but if that lowers the cost to the consumer and makes the C7 Z06 more affordable, then I'm all for that!
What do you think?
I could see the LT4 as an LSA replacement used in a couple different applications (Z06, ZL1, CTS-V) in order to keep costs down and avoid the high expense of the previous gen high performance powerplants (LS7 and LS9). I know that may bother some, but if that lowers the cost to the consumer and makes the C7 Z06 more affordable, then I'm all for that!
What do you think?
Pro
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There is no way GM would spend all of the money developing the LT4 and only put it in the Z06.
The LSA is as good as gone. You can bet your butt that the LT4 will find its way into the CTS-V and the ZL1 although I would not be surprised to see it detuned in those cars.
The LSA is as good as gone. You can bet your butt that the LT4 will find its way into the CTS-V and the ZL1 although I would not be surprised to see it detuned in those cars.
Melting Slicks
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Well if the zl1 will be powered by the lt4 and has mag ride and all the other toys and will stay around 60k there is no way they can price the Z06 at 100k like people on here are estimating.
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GM's goal is of course to sell as many Corvettes as they can...
IMO the price spread for the C7 Z06 should be kept about the same as it was among the C6 versions,
if they want to maximize sales...
IMO the price spread for the C7 Z06 should be kept about the same as it was among the C6 versions,
if they want to maximize sales...
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There is no way GM would spend all of the money developing the LT4 and only put it in the Z06.
The LSA is as good as gone. You can bet your butt that the LT4 will find its way into the CTS-V and the ZL1 although I would not be surprised to see it detuned in those cars.
The LSA is as good as gone. You can bet your butt that the LT4 will find its way into the CTS-V and the ZL1 although I would not be surprised to see it detuned in those cars.
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The only thing that has me concerned about this is CAFE. Under normal circumstances, I'd agree 100%. But if the LT4 is going to hurt fleet averages, GM may price the Z06 higher to intentionally increase profits while reducing volume. They are not going to want to sell a ton of them if the MPG numbers are going to negatively impact this mandated fleet average.
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The only thing that has me concerned about this is CAFE. Under normal circumstances, I'd agree 100%. But if the LT4 is going to hurt fleet averages, GM may price the Z06 higher to intentionally increase profits while reducing volume. They are not going to want to sell a ton of them if the MPG numbers are going to negatively impact this mandated fleet average.
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The only thing that has me concerned about this is CAFE. Under normal circumstances, I'd agree 100%. But if the LT4 is going to hurt fleet averages, GM may price the Z06 higher to intentionally increase profits while reducing volume. They are not going to want to sell a ton of them if the MPG numbers are going to negatively impact this mandated fleet average.
And I hope the LT4 is an option for the CTS-V, ZL-1, and some trucks. The more the merrier I say.
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The only thing that has me concerned about this is CAFE. Under normal circumstances, I'd agree 100%. But if the LT4 is going to hurt fleet averages, GM may price the Z06 higher to intentionally increase profits while reducing volume. They are not going to want to sell a ton of them if the MPG numbers are going to negatively impact this mandated fleet average.
Depending on which vehicle its supplied to, I would think an LT4 w/8spd auto is still capable of close to 30mpg hwy.
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Agreed that LT4 (and the LT1) should be used in as many applications as possible. CTS-V, ZL1, Denali trucks and Escalade SUV all seem like possible candidates.
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Just a thought based off of our good friend Keeks info on the LT4 he gave us late last year. He did mention that the LT4 would be possibly used in a future version of the Camaro ZL1 also. With that said, do you believe that GM has developed the LT4 as a multiple platform powerplant to save costs? The LSA was used in a couple different applications to save costs, the ZL1 and the CTS-V.
I could see the LT4 as an LSA replacement used in a couple different applications (Z06, ZL1, CTS-V) in order to keep costs down and avoid the high expense of the previous gen high performance powerplants (LS7 and LS9). I know that may bother some, but if that lowers the cost to the consumer and makes the C7 Z06 more affordable, then I'm all for that!
What do you think?
I could see the LT4 as an LSA replacement used in a couple different applications (Z06, ZL1, CTS-V) in order to keep costs down and avoid the high expense of the previous gen high performance powerplants (LS7 and LS9). I know that may bother some, but if that lowers the cost to the consumer and makes the C7 Z06 more affordable, then I'm all for that!
What do you think?
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The only thing that has me concerned about this is CAFE. Under normal circumstances, I'd agree 100%. But if the LT4 is going to hurt fleet averages, GM may price the Z06 higher to intentionally increase profits while reducing volume. They are not going to want to sell a ton of them if the MPG numbers are going to negatively impact this mandated fleet average.
All good points, to be sure.
In the final analysis, if the new LT4 motor materially affects GM's CAFE number, the gas guzzler tax
will just be added-on to the cars equipped with the "offending" motor (ex: LS9 engine).
IMO, that extra cost won't stop anyone who wants the C7 Z06 from buying one.
Drifting
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The LT4 isnt going to hurt fleet averages. Why do you think GM's patent for a 8 speed automatic transmission capable of handling 738 ft/lbs of torque was released right around the time the C7Z06 was confirmed.
Depending on which vehicle its supplied to, I would think an LT4 w/8spd auto is still capable of close to 30mpg hwy.
Depending on which vehicle its supplied to, I would think an LT4 w/8spd auto is still capable of close to 30mpg hwy.
Melting Slicks
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Just a thought based off of our good friend Keeks info on the LT4 he gave us late last year. He did mention that the LT4 would be possibly used in a future version of the Camaro ZL1 also. With that said, do you believe that GM has developed the LT4 as a multiple platform powerplant to save costs? The LSA was used in a couple different applications to save costs, the ZL1 and the CTS-V.
I could see the LT4 as an LSA replacement used in a couple different applications (Z06, ZL1, CTS-V) in order to keep costs down and avoid the high expense of the previous gen high performance powerplants (LS7 and LS9). I know that may bother some, but if that lowers the cost to the consumer and makes the C7 Z06 more affordable, then I'm all for that!
What do you think?
I could see the LT4 as an LSA replacement used in a couple different applications (Z06, ZL1, CTS-V) in order to keep costs down and avoid the high expense of the previous gen high performance powerplants (LS7 and LS9). I know that may bother some, but if that lowers the cost to the consumer and makes the C7 Z06 more affordable, then I'm all for that!
What do you think?
In no way is putting an LSA (or potential LTA) in another brand about keeping the cost of the Corvette down. It's to meet demand.
Oh, we'll whine about the price but if we don't buy these performance cars, some new enthusiast will. Because even at $80k, there's no competition for a Z06 at that price point.
BTW, the LS7 is back in the Z28 CAMARO . So much for eliminating these exotic high priced engines to keep the cost of GM cars down.
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Drifting
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I don't see why anyone would be bothered if the LT4 ends up in other cars like the CTS-V, ZL1, various trucks/suvs etc...It just makes sense to use it in multiple cars. It doesn't even bother me if GM decided not to detune it for those vehicles.
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I fully expect GM to do the same with the LT4 as they did with the 3800SC S2 to S3 change. My guess is the C6 ZR1 blower and intercoolers strapped to the LT1 with stronger internals to tolerate the extra power output. The parts are already developed, and the DI+VVT should allow for more power than the LS9 made in stock trim.
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Finally....the voice of reason
