Expendables
Le Mans Master
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Once again they are not fender liners. They are not Rubicon flares. They are Gurney Lips. They have an aerodynamic function. People are free to paint them, or wrap them, or cover them with glitter. More power to them.
Drifting
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Missed my point Troller. The gripes over the black plastic fail to take into account some items are made that way to deal with the abuse the intended use will bring. You don't want durables, don't get the package
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Pro
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From: Eagle River Alaska
So, I guess i will be a Poser 
But it is my money. 
Le Mans Master
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Being willfully ignorant diminishes the creditability of ones criticisms.
However, I guess is could be one of the traits of a bad poser. Good posers at least try to sound like they know something about cars.
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Intelligent people have many differences about what they think looks good.
Being willfully ignorant diminishes the creditability of ones criticisms.
However, I guess is could be one of the traits of a bad poser. Good posers at least try to sound like they know something about cars.
Being willfully ignorant diminishes the creditability of ones criticisms.
However, I guess is could be one of the traits of a bad poser. Good posers at least try to sound like they know something about cars.
The real "posers" (using that word since you seem to like it) are the guys who think a few strips of cheap aero on their car make them something they're not.......and they go play 'Pro Driver" on track day.
You make me laugh.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Smallingerland Friesland, Netherlands
I know negative comments have been flowing regarding the "black plastic" front fender liner extensions as well as the end plates on the front spoiler but here is a consideration. How much are these to replace? Keeping in mind the Z07 is the track rats car, not a "poser" ride, these components are subject to track damage. The CF front splinter is a concern to me. My 09 Viper has a HEAVY poly rub strip on the leading edge of the CF to accept rubs instead of the CF. I cringe when driving my ZR1 and 45 degree every driveway etc to avoid damage. The Z07 is not intended to be bought by the " I have to have the latest and greatest crowd ". It is for us track rats, and replacement cost for track damage is an issue. I love the idea of non CF components in "at risk" locations. I rub my CF splitter on my GTM and I am risking $300, I rub my ZR1 and I am looking at four figures. Please keep the expendables affordable GM.
Le Mans Master
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It's got nothing to do with what I know or you think you know. Spin it anyway you want, slice it any way you want: that $hit is cheap., tacky and ugly. It won't stop me from buying one, but it's just another example of GM saving a few bucks and calling it "functional." I guess guys like you are dazzled by that kind of crap......there's one born every minute.
The real "posers" (using that word since you seem to like it) are the guys who think a few strips of cheap aero on their car make them something they're not.......and they go play 'Pro Driver" on track day.
You make me laugh.
The real "posers" (using that word since you seem to like it) are the guys who think a few strips of cheap aero on their car make them something they're not.......and they go play 'Pro Driver" on track day.
You make me laugh.
You don't like the look. Great I understand that. It is your money. Spend it how you like.
You don't make me laugh. I am just sad for you.
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I am not "dazzled". I am not ignorant. I know what it is and what it's for. I don't buy cars to impress my friends or strangers on the street. I buy them for me. I don't like paying extra for useless things, or materials. If the materials are engineered to meet their function and is a reasonable value I am happy. I don't think it is cheap and tacky. I think it is functional and made of the right material for the purpose.
You don't like the look. Great I understand that. It is your money. Spend it how you like.
You don't make me laugh. I am just sad for you.
You don't like the look. Great I understand that. It is your money. Spend it how you like.
You don't make me laugh. I am just sad for you.
No sadness...no tears.....it gonna be okay! Really!
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From: Florida
It's interesting how "Bill" and "Michael," the two most vocal, judgmental supposed "track" boys feel compelled to sign their name at the end of every post. I don't suppose an overinflated ego or feeling of superiority have anything to do with that, eh? Where's that book on Freud......
When I buy my C7 Z06 I'll be sure to consult with you both......after all, you guys seem to know exactly what everyone should do with their car. I certainly wouldn't want you to think of me as a "waxer" or "poser." That would really ruin my day.....you guys are my heros!
Newsflash: the percentage of potential owners like you mean nothing to GM. The future success of Corvette is all about volume and brand image....hence the lack of expenditure on a real front end design.
This Z06 is a really half-assed effort....those fender and front fascia molds are damned expensive...."Might as well just keep the Stingray front fascia for now and see if the damed thing sells. Hell, just throw a couple plastic strips on there to cover the front wheels. They'll think it's cool."
If the Z06 does sell well, there might a refresh in couple of years with a proper redesign. If not, there's always a GS to resurrect sales numbers. It's happened before, right?
When I buy my C7 Z06 I'll be sure to consult with you both......after all, you guys seem to know exactly what everyone should do with their car. I certainly wouldn't want you to think of me as a "waxer" or "poser." That would really ruin my day.....you guys are my heros!
Newsflash: the percentage of potential owners like you mean nothing to GM. The future success of Corvette is all about volume and brand image....hence the lack of expenditure on a real front end design.
This Z06 is a really half-assed effort....those fender and front fascia molds are damned expensive...."Might as well just keep the Stingray front fascia for now and see if the damed thing sells. Hell, just throw a couple plastic strips on there to cover the front wheels. They'll think it's cool."
If the Z06 does sell well, there might a refresh in couple of years with a proper redesign. If not, there's always a GS to resurrect sales numbers. It's happened before, right?
Le Mans Master
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No need to cry. I am sure you can pay the dealership to paint the Gurney Lips on you Z06 when in comes in.
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Racer
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From: Catlettsburg Ky
How are they gong to see the aero when they are trailing a mile back in the fastest thing they build?
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Racer
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Burning Brakes
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From: Phoenix AZ
Wow-
Why do semi-successful high end Z06 owners, or people pretend to be, talk all sorts of vile crap simply because it is via the internet?
It makes the whole group look bad. Can you not disagree without being disagreeable?
Imagine you were having these conversations in person, then act accordingly.
It is pretty obvious-
1) More than half of CURRENT Z06 owners do not like the 'jeep' front fender spats. It was NOT an aero decision, it was a 'I don't want to make new molds' by GM's decision.
2) Most also don't like the rear end design.
3) Despite these design issues, some of the people who don't like it will buy it anyways on the used market for a cheaper price.
4) Including myself, GM is costing itself new sales with the design issues people don't like.
The 'track' defender people seem to try to no end to defend the obvious flaws. Why I don't get. If this car came with C7R front fenders, they would be happy, everyone would be happy.
Most people have no issues with the front splitters/parts. It IS mainly the spats, and the lazy image they infer.
Why do semi-successful high end Z06 owners, or people pretend to be, talk all sorts of vile crap simply because it is via the internet?
It makes the whole group look bad. Can you not disagree without being disagreeable?
Imagine you were having these conversations in person, then act accordingly.
It is pretty obvious-
1) More than half of CURRENT Z06 owners do not like the 'jeep' front fender spats. It was NOT an aero decision, it was a 'I don't want to make new molds' by GM's decision.
2) Most also don't like the rear end design.
3) Despite these design issues, some of the people who don't like it will buy it anyways on the used market for a cheaper price.
4) Including myself, GM is costing itself new sales with the design issues people don't like.
The 'track' defender people seem to try to no end to defend the obvious flaws. Why I don't get. If this car came with C7R front fenders, they would be happy, everyone would be happy.
Most people have no issues with the front splitters/parts. It IS mainly the spats, and the lazy image they infer.
16 Vettes and counting…..
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,811
Likes: 1,146
Wow-
Why do semi-successful high end Z06 owners, or people pretend to be, talk all sorts of vile crap simply because it is via the internet?
It makes the whole group look bad. Can you not disagree without being disagreeable?
Imagine you were having these conversations in person, then act accordingly.
It is pretty obvious-
1) More than half of CURRENT Z06 owners do not like the 'jeep' front fender spats. It was NOT an aero decision, it was a 'I don't want to make new molds' by GM's decision.
2) Most also don't like the rear end design.
3) Despite these design issues, some of the people who don't like it will buy it anyways on the used market for a cheaper price.
4) Including myself, GM is costing itself new sales with the design issues people don't like.
The 'track' defender people seem to try to no end to defend the obvious flaws. Why I don't get. If this car came with C7R front fenders, they would be happy, everyone would be happy.
Most people have no issues with the front splitters/parts. It IS mainly the spats, and the lazy image they infer.
Why do semi-successful high end Z06 owners, or people pretend to be, talk all sorts of vile crap simply because it is via the internet?
It makes the whole group look bad. Can you not disagree without being disagreeable?
Imagine you were having these conversations in person, then act accordingly.
It is pretty obvious-
1) More than half of CURRENT Z06 owners do not like the 'jeep' front fender spats. It was NOT an aero decision, it was a 'I don't want to make new molds' by GM's decision.
2) Most also don't like the rear end design.
3) Despite these design issues, some of the people who don't like it will buy it anyways on the used market for a cheaper price.
4) Including myself, GM is costing itself new sales with the design issues people don't like.
The 'track' defender people seem to try to no end to defend the obvious flaws. Why I don't get. If this car came with C7R front fenders, they would be happy, everyone would be happy.
Most people have no issues with the front splitters/parts. It IS mainly the spats, and the lazy image they infer.
16 Vettes and counting…..
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