'Ring time incoming!!
Burning Brakes
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I gotta agree. I am more interested in how these cars do on tracks that 99% of owners will be driving them on.
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I just got back from the 24 at the Ring. We ran our SCG003C there...the other had a bit of a crash. God I love that place. But yes....building a roller coaster through a mall that wasn't ever turned on once? Pretty dumb.
As far as the Ring time....do the manufacturers have to stick to the new speed limits on the straights that were put into effect after the death? If so, the whole game changes and the new numbers are meaningless.
Best,
Gene
p.s. I'll go with 7:06. Just think of the marketing potential!
As far as the Ring time....do the manufacturers have to stick to the new speed limits on the straights that were put into effect after the death? If so, the whole game changes and the new numbers are meaningless.
Best,
Gene
p.s. I'll go with 7:06. Just think of the marketing potential!
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While folks are getting all hot and bothered debating the 'Ring time, here's another tidbit to discuss and debate: Should GM keep spending money to send cars over there for engineering validation? A Corvette team member recently told me that the new N'Ring owners have a policy about showing videos collected by manufacturers. The N'Ring somehow claims rights to those recordings, and they can only be released to the public after the manufacturer pays a 25000 Euro charge!
IMHO: that's lunacy. I'll be right there cheering Mero on while watching the video with everyone else once it's released. But 25K Euro? Um. Were I in that industry, I'd happily tell the N'Ring owners to sit'n'spin.
IMHO: that's lunacy. I'll be right there cheering Mero on while watching the video with everyone else once it's released. But 25K Euro? Um. Were I in that industry, I'd happily tell the N'Ring owners to sit'n'spin.
How does that promote a free and unrestricted market of more business interests?
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I would agree the 'ring is long past its day, big league motorsports abandoned it long ago and I couldn't care less if GM did the same. That carouselle section belongs in the German equivalent of the Smithsonian. But as long as thy're running there, I'd love to see the time.
PLEASE!
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I happen to agree with this article. The one lap wonder times are not regulated, and professional drivers hired by European magazines cannot achieve laptimes even close to some (not all) of the manufacturer times.
Ford: Nürburgring times are rubbish
Vijay Pattni28 November 2013
The chief engineer of Ford's Global Performance Vehicles has agreed with James May and ruined a million pub conversations: Nürburgring lap times are rubbish.
Jamal Hameedi, responding to Ford enthusiast forum SVTperformance.com asking why he hasn't sent the Mustang GT500 around the ‘Ring on a timed run, reckons that there is no such thing as an official manufacturer time.
"Ring times? Oh man, don't even get me started on this topic," says Hameedi. "These times being posted by many manufacturers are, in my humble opinion, akin to qualifying times being set at a race with no pre/post inspection. In order for us to set an official time, corner weights would have to be taken, calibrations check sums need to be verified, engine power verified, a hoist inspection, and probably a fuel sample taken by an independent third party..."
In other words, it's a free-for-all. However, Hameedi concedes the Green Hell serves an important function for testing vehicles. "The reason we test at the Ring is because it is a fantastic venue for doing vehicle dynamics work," he says. "You get so much different content in terms of turns, elevation, etc that you would need to visit five different tracks to duplicate it."
It's just the lap times with which Ford has a problem. "Our (my) view is that there is no such thing as an official manufacturer 'Ring time. As soon as there is a standard for measuring lap times, our performance vehicles will be the first in line to get tested."
Hameedi reckons the comparisons between different performance cars "need to be done on the same day by a professional driver, too." Hmm, if only there were such a facility, where a single racing driver whose breath smells of magnesium could test the world's fastest cars around a top secret and slightly shoddy little circuit just off the A281 in Surrey...
Hameedi says until there's a more effective, standardised measurement, Ford won't be sending its cars around the ‘Ring on timed runs. Remember what our very own Captain Slow said many moons ago? "Being able to claim that your daily driver holds a production car lap record somewhere in Germany is a good boast down the pub for the feeble minded...but it's all nonsense."
Can: open. Worms: everywhere...
Via svtperformance.com
Ford: Nürburgring times are rubbish
Vijay Pattni28 November 2013
The chief engineer of Ford's Global Performance Vehicles has agreed with James May and ruined a million pub conversations: Nürburgring lap times are rubbish.
Jamal Hameedi, responding to Ford enthusiast forum SVTperformance.com asking why he hasn't sent the Mustang GT500 around the ‘Ring on a timed run, reckons that there is no such thing as an official manufacturer time.
"Ring times? Oh man, don't even get me started on this topic," says Hameedi. "These times being posted by many manufacturers are, in my humble opinion, akin to qualifying times being set at a race with no pre/post inspection. In order for us to set an official time, corner weights would have to be taken, calibrations check sums need to be verified, engine power verified, a hoist inspection, and probably a fuel sample taken by an independent third party..."
In other words, it's a free-for-all. However, Hameedi concedes the Green Hell serves an important function for testing vehicles. "The reason we test at the Ring is because it is a fantastic venue for doing vehicle dynamics work," he says. "You get so much different content in terms of turns, elevation, etc that you would need to visit five different tracks to duplicate it."
It's just the lap times with which Ford has a problem. "Our (my) view is that there is no such thing as an official manufacturer 'Ring time. As soon as there is a standard for measuring lap times, our performance vehicles will be the first in line to get tested."
Hameedi reckons the comparisons between different performance cars "need to be done on the same day by a professional driver, too." Hmm, if only there were such a facility, where a single racing driver whose breath smells of magnesium could test the world's fastest cars around a top secret and slightly shoddy little circuit just off the A281 in Surrey...
Hameedi says until there's a more effective, standardised measurement, Ford won't be sending its cars around the ‘Ring on timed runs. Remember what our very own Captain Slow said many moons ago? "Being able to claim that your daily driver holds a production car lap record somewhere in Germany is a good boast down the pub for the feeble minded...but it's all nonsense."
Can: open. Worms: everywhere...
Via svtperformance.com
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