Reason why GM did not release the time on NUR
08-18-2015, 04:00 AM
#1
Reason why GM did not release the time on NUR
Here is my common sense speculation:
before I said anything, I do own a 2015 AW Z06 so I'm not a hater or trolling.
Remember when the Z06 scored a killer lap time on VIR? do you ask yourself why GM didn't take long to release it with video and so on?
IMO, its because in that track, the Z06 actually on par or beat cas in higher brackets/classes. It actually beat every super/hyper car out there.
Nurburgring, on the other hand, all we got was "we were very satisfy with the lap time" which leaving much speculations. IMO the Z06 did not beat last gen ZR1 or Z06, GTR Nismo and base GTR, or Viper. the overheat issue is very real and on track like that driven hard by a professional driver, in stock form, overheat is inevitable.
I believes the Z06 falls between Porsche's 991 911S 7:37 and Ferrari 458 7:28. In other words, it beat some exotics cars but at the time didn't beat other revolutionize machines, and most important, the C6 platform.
the thought process is very simple, if you, as a company invent said a CAI and dyno shows that it did not perform better than stock, would u publish it? Maybe it perform 2% percent better than oem, do you think you would get a lot of sales when there are faster and better out there?
Z06 sale right now are strong with most unit sold at MSRP or at least close to MSRP, why publish something that may hurt sale factor? so GM as a business entity knows better than to disclosed something that is not better or barely better.
The argument that Nur does not allow time to be disclosed etc. is totally BS and does not make sense. Let said it is true that GM is not allow to release the time due to legal binding, they cannot said "the C7 Z06 lapped the Nur in a blazing 7:09," for examples, they can said something like:
"we were very satisfy with the lap time, the C7 Z06 time were faster than previous ZR1 and Z06 and, amazing, 1.2 seconds faster than Nissan GTR Nismo published time"
Actual lap time is not release, but we know it is faster than C7 Nismo GTR by 1.2 seconds. Unfortunately, they didn't said something that because it did not happen.
In my overall opinion, What GM did was build a more versatile car with better interior, sounds, looks, but added 400+ pounds in the process which they have to add a supercharger to keep up with the old Z06.
I'm not blaming the engineers or the designer, after all, you got to feed the big fish somehow.
before I said anything, I do own a 2015 AW Z06 so I'm not a hater or trolling.
Remember when the Z06 scored a killer lap time on VIR? do you ask yourself why GM didn't take long to release it with video and so on?
IMO, its because in that track, the Z06 actually on par or beat cas in higher brackets/classes. It actually beat every super/hyper car out there.
Nurburgring, on the other hand, all we got was "we were very satisfy with the lap time" which leaving much speculations. IMO the Z06 did not beat last gen ZR1 or Z06, GTR Nismo and base GTR, or Viper. the overheat issue is very real and on track like that driven hard by a professional driver, in stock form, overheat is inevitable.
I believes the Z06 falls between Porsche's 991 911S 7:37 and Ferrari 458 7:28. In other words, it beat some exotics cars but at the time didn't beat other revolutionize machines, and most important, the C6 platform.
the thought process is very simple, if you, as a company invent said a CAI and dyno shows that it did not perform better than stock, would u publish it? Maybe it perform 2% percent better than oem, do you think you would get a lot of sales when there are faster and better out there?
Z06 sale right now are strong with most unit sold at MSRP or at least close to MSRP, why publish something that may hurt sale factor? so GM as a business entity knows better than to disclosed something that is not better or barely better.
The argument that Nur does not allow time to be disclosed etc. is totally BS and does not make sense. Let said it is true that GM is not allow to release the time due to legal binding, they cannot said "the C7 Z06 lapped the Nur in a blazing 7:09," for examples, they can said something like:
"we were very satisfy with the lap time, the C7 Z06 time were faster than previous ZR1 and Z06 and, amazing, 1.2 seconds faster than Nissan GTR Nismo published time"
Actual lap time is not release, but we know it is faster than C7 Nismo GTR by 1.2 seconds. Unfortunately, they didn't said something that because it did not happen.
In my overall opinion, What GM did was build a more versatile car with better interior, sounds, looks, but added 400+ pounds in the process which they have to add a supercharger to keep up with the old Z06.
I'm not blaming the engineers or the designer, after all, you got to feed the big fish somehow.
08-18-2015, 06:17 AM
#3
Burning Brakes
This makes sense. They are using the old "if it's not broken, don't fix it" advice. As long as sales are brisk, any info that is even lukewarm could only hurt.
BTAIM, I am still thrilled with my car, love every second of driving, and have absolutely no regrets about buying it.
BTAIM, I am still thrilled with my car, love every second of driving, and have absolutely no regrets about buying it.
08-18-2015, 07:15 AM
#4
Why does anyone care? Yet another useless post about the Ring time and what someone "thinks" they know
. When and if there is an actual time, then its something to talk about. Other than that none of these guessing game posts mean anything at all
. When and if there is an actual time, then its something to talk about. Other than that none of these guessing game posts mean anything at all
Last edited by GP1224; 08-18-2015 at 07:18 AM.
08-18-2015, 08:25 AM
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Le Mans Master
Although it's fun to dwell on great Ring times, that us vette junkies may enjoy, by now the whole hot car loving world is very familiar with the superb prowess of the C7 Z06. I don't know if announcing a Ring time would make much difference, one way or the other.
08-18-2015, 08:34 AM
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The OP makes sense, the car will likely not make it a lap under full power w/out some mods and at this point I wouldn't trust or believe anything GM says.
08-18-2015, 08:55 AM
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Here is my common sense speculation:
before I said anything, I do own a 2015 AW Z06 so I'm not a hater or trolling.
Remember when the Z06 scored a killer lap time on VIR? do you ask yourself why GM didn't take long to release it with video and so on?
IMO, its because in that track, the Z06 actually on par or beat cas in higher brackets/classes. It actually beat every super/hyper car out there.
Nurburgring, on the other hand, all we got was "we were very satisfy with the lap time" which leaving much speculations. IMO the Z06 did not beat last gen ZR1 or Z06, GTR Nismo and base GTR, or Viper. the overheat issue is very real and on track like that driven hard by a professional driver, in stock form, overheat is inevitable.
I believes the Z06 falls between Porsche's 991 911S 7:37 and Ferrari 458 7:28. In other words, it beat some exotics cars but at the time didn't beat other revolutionize machines, and most important, the C6 platform.
the thought process is very simple, if you, as a company invent said a CAI and dyno shows that it did not perform better than stock, would u publish it? Maybe it perform 2% percent better than oem, do you think you would get a lot of sales when there are faster and better out there?
Z06 sale right now are strong with most unit sold at MSRP or at least close to MSRP, why publish something that may hurt sale factor? so GM as a business entity knows better than to disclosed something that is not better or barely better.
The argument that Nur does not allow time to be disclosed etc. is totally BS and does not make sense. Let said it is true that GM is not allow to release the time due to legal binding, they cannot said "the C7 Z06 lapped the Nur in a blazing 7:09," for examples, they can said something like:
"we were very satisfy with the lap time, the C7 Z06 time were faster than previous ZR1 and Z06 and, amazing, 1.2 seconds faster than Nissan GTR Nismo published time"
Actual lap time is not release, but we know it is faster than C7 Nismo GTR by 1.2 seconds. Unfortunately, they didn't said something that because it did not happen.
In my overall opinion, What GM did was build a more versatile car with better interior, sounds, looks, but added 400+ pounds in the process which they have to add a supercharger to keep up with the old Z06.
I'm not blaming the engineers or the designer, after all, you got to feed the big fish somehow.
before I said anything, I do own a 2015 AW Z06 so I'm not a hater or trolling.
Remember when the Z06 scored a killer lap time on VIR? do you ask yourself why GM didn't take long to release it with video and so on?
IMO, its because in that track, the Z06 actually on par or beat cas in higher brackets/classes. It actually beat every super/hyper car out there.
Nurburgring, on the other hand, all we got was "we were very satisfy with the lap time" which leaving much speculations. IMO the Z06 did not beat last gen ZR1 or Z06, GTR Nismo and base GTR, or Viper. the overheat issue is very real and on track like that driven hard by a professional driver, in stock form, overheat is inevitable.
I believes the Z06 falls between Porsche's 991 911S 7:37 and Ferrari 458 7:28. In other words, it beat some exotics cars but at the time didn't beat other revolutionize machines, and most important, the C6 platform.
the thought process is very simple, if you, as a company invent said a CAI and dyno shows that it did not perform better than stock, would u publish it? Maybe it perform 2% percent better than oem, do you think you would get a lot of sales when there are faster and better out there?
Z06 sale right now are strong with most unit sold at MSRP or at least close to MSRP, why publish something that may hurt sale factor? so GM as a business entity knows better than to disclosed something that is not better or barely better.
The argument that Nur does not allow time to be disclosed etc. is totally BS and does not make sense. Let said it is true that GM is not allow to release the time due to legal binding, they cannot said "the C7 Z06 lapped the Nur in a blazing 7:09," for examples, they can said something like:
"we were very satisfy with the lap time, the C7 Z06 time were faster than previous ZR1 and Z06 and, amazing, 1.2 seconds faster than Nissan GTR Nismo published time"
Actual lap time is not release, but we know it is faster than C7 Nismo GTR by 1.2 seconds. Unfortunately, they didn't said something that because it did not happen.
In my overall opinion, What GM did was build a more versatile car with better interior, sounds, looks, but added 400+ pounds in the process which they have to add a supercharger to keep up with the old Z06.
I'm not blaming the engineers or the designer, after all, you got to feed the big fish somehow.
08-18-2015, 09:22 AM
#10
Le Mans Master
08-18-2015, 09:28 AM
#11
Safety Car
3 sec diff, not 20
08-18-2015, 09:30 AM
#12
Perhaps it's time to buy a $95,000 300 horse Boxster with leather from the Emperor of Japan's house ( yes that is a Honeymooners reference) and not spend time with us nut huggers
08-18-2015, 09:32 AM
#14
Le Mans Master
Why would they not disclose it if it was so good then?
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08-18-2015, 09:39 AM
#15
Go back and read the basic logic I laid out on other testing and my own experience, and speak for yourself. BTW, I wasn't answering you
08-18-2015, 09:45 AM
#16
Le Mans Master
VIR is totally irrelevant. They repaved and changed the track before the Z06 ran. Aside from that you haven't really posted anything useful. And it doesn't matter who you're responding to, if you act like a tool you'll get called on it.
08-18-2015, 09:51 AM
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That is my opinion, as for performance well when you're working with better tires/brakes/suspension etc. the car should track faster yet we can't get a Ring time and it was there twice. Just stating facts, and by the way the whole track prep exercise in nonsense, if this is the most able track Corvette ever built it should be able to be driven to the track, run all day and driven home like a Porsche or Viper.
08-18-2015, 09:52 AM
#18
You quoted me before I finished my edit.
VIR is totally irrelevant. They repaved and changed the track before the Z06 ran. Aside from that you haven't really posted anything useful. And it doesn't matter who you're responding to, if you act like a tool you'll get called on it.
VIR is totally irrelevant. They repaved and changed the track before the Z06 ran. Aside from that you haven't really posted anything useful. And it doesn't matter who you're responding to, if you act like a tool you'll get called on it.
08-18-2015, 09:53 AM
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Le Mans Master
08-18-2015, 10:10 AM
#20
Tell you what..I won't inflame this situation any more. I will take a step back and answer shortly your question and maybe address the other gent but man I tell you the doom and gloom is flowing. I have to run but will be back.