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Old Sep 8, 2015 | 02:48 PM
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My A8 has a brutal shift into first after a stop. This occurs when warmed up, then stopping, then proceeding. The car does not initially move forward when applying throttle and then finally shifts to first with a loud bang.

Dealer installed "fast learn" software" which does not address this problem. I may take it back, but w/o a factory notice, I don't think they will anything.
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Old Sep 8, 2015 | 02:51 PM
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Document everything. Keep taking it back until there is no more 'loud bang" as that's just unacceptable with a 100k car. Lemon law possibly...?
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Old Sep 8, 2015 | 03:13 PM
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Mine was doing it while down shifting into 1st in drive mode. The dealer had it reprogramed and it's good now
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Just about all A8 auto goes thru this bang after coming to a slow stop... Mine's did it , the transmission is going thru a learning process ... It will stop after putting about 500 to 1000 miles , mines completely stop at about 800 miles.... 😎
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I have 5200 mi on it, 3000 of which were put on driving from NCM.

It's had way more than enough "learning time".
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Old Sep 9, 2015 | 02:51 AM
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Some students are hard headed and need time to learn! Lol
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Old Sep 9, 2015 | 10:15 AM
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My A8 has a brutal shift into first after a stop. This occurs when warmed up, then stopping, then proceeding. The car does not initially move forward when applying throttle and then finally shifts to first with a loud bang.

Dealer installed "fast learn" software" which does not address this problem. I may take it back, but w/o a factory notice, I don't think they will anything.
Was yours an early production car?
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Old Sep 9, 2015 | 09:19 PM
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Completed 1/22/15 and delivered 2/26/15 at NCM. Has the only update for A8 that GM shows and it does not say that it addresses this issue, which it has not.

Dealer has no solution and does not seem to want to get GM involved since they cannot reproduce the failure. This is an issue when a dealer cannot duplicate a problem and there is no specific GM TSB for them to refer to.

This happens maybe 10% of the time. It does it in all modes except Winter since that starts off in a higher gear. When I told the dealer this, they said "well just drive it W all the time".
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A friend is having this same problem with his Z51 A8 except it happens in reverse. He shifts into reverse, nothing happens, he gives it some gas and nothing happens, then he gets around 1500 RPM and it goes into reverse with a loud bang, and shoots backwards like being shot out of a canon.

This is his second A8 transmission on this particular car. The first car he was going to buy dumped the transmission(at 4 miles) when the salesman took it up the street to fill it with gas. My friend passed on that car, and waited for another car..

His wife refuses to drive the car, and it's her car(he has a C6 GS with the A6 which has been trouble free).

It's at the dealer now.

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My A8 has a brutal shift into first after a stop. This occurs when warmed up, then stopping, then proceeding. The car does not initially move forward when applying throttle and then finally shifts to first with a loud bang.
At the stop, are you shifting into N, then to D when you are ready to proceed forward? If it is shifting into first from a stop while remaining in D, something is clearly awry.

Dealer installed "fast learn" software" which does not address this problem. I may take it back, but w/o a factory notice, I don't think they will anything.
When the "fast learn" software (PI1473) is installed, only one step of two has been performed. The second step is a "fast learn" procedure performed by the scan tool, but there's another twist--the tranny fluid must be between 167-185° before the scan tool will start the procedure. Perhaps the dealer only performed Step 1, in which case the software update was not finalized and "Failure to perform this procedure may result in poor transmission performance" (see this document). I've never seen my tranny fluid exceed 150°, so how does the dealer get the fluid up to spec short of taking it out to the track first? Look for DTCs of P0606 or P2818 related to this SB.

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Originally Posted by JoesC5
A friend is having this same problem with his Z51 A8 except it happens in reverse. He shifts into reverse, nothing happens, he gives it some gas and nothing happens, then he gets around 1500 RPM and it goes into reverse with a loud bang, and shoots backwards like being shot out of a canon.
Mine did this three times in May and once in July, but hasn't done it since. The "loud bang" is probably related only to his practice of revving it up, and shifting to D and then back to R without revving should get it going without the intrigue. That happened to me, but I only tried it once. I never figured out what was causing it in my case, nor have I done any TCM software updates, but I've chalked it up to adaptive learning. OnStar reported that I was not showing any DTCs. My build date was 12/18/14, not far from the OP's, and I bought it on 02/06/15.

It's at the dealer now.
I'd like to know what they find out. Could you keep us informed on this?

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I have never shifted it into neutral and then back to drive b4 proceeding from a stop. Since it is supposed to be an automatic, why would anyone want or need to do this?

Also, isn't the trans supposed to shift into first after stopping with it in drive? You said if it does, it is a problem. I think just the opposite is true; if it doesn't shift into first after stopping is a problem.
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I have never shifted it into neutral and then back to drive b4 proceeding from a stop. Since it is supposed to be an automatic, why would anyone want or need to do this?
Many who own manuals shift to N at a stop rather than hold the clutch in, but as you said it makes less sense with an auto. I confess that I do it once in a while, though.

Also, isn't the trans supposed to shift into first after stopping with it in drive? You said if it does, it is a problem. I think just the opposite is true; if it doesn't shift into first after stopping is a problem.
No, I'm agreeing with you. It should shift to 1st shortly before stopping, and my point was that if it does not do so or loses its engagement with first causing the engine to rev when you begin to pull away from the stop it would be a major problem.
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I have a 2016 Z06 and mine does this quite a bit. Usually when coming up to a stop light or stop sign. Not so much a loud noise but more of a hard hit going into first gear. Anybody have this problem???
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Originally Posted by 2016 Z06
I have a 2016 Z06 and mine does this quite a bit. Usually when coming up to a stop light or stop sign. Not so much a loud noise but more of a hard hit going into first gear. Anybody have this problem???
I'm having the same issue with my 2016 A8 Z. The shift from 2 to 1 is horrible. The shift from 3 to 1 is perfect which seems to occur more often than the 2 to 1 shift.

I'd like to hear if other folks are having the same issue. While in drive be sure the car is in 2 then slow to a stop. I'm betting it will be a harsh shift.

I took mine to the dealer and they flashed the trans but that didn't help. Gave me the BS story that is a high performance car and the A8 is doing its thing. WTF? Anyway, I'm giving it time to see if the A8 "adapts".

Let me know if anyone figures this one out. Brian
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There are several other posts where people with the A8 have had the car feel like it stays in neutral when shifted into Drive, then the RPM increases on its own and the car slams into gear and takes off.
One guy said he started the car up after washing it in his driveway, put it in Drive, nothing, back to neutral then Drive, and the RPM shot up and slammed into gear almost running into the garage.

Glad I have 7 speed manual.
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