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Old 01-25-2016, 10:35 AM
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Default MT Z06-Viper-Porsche GT3 RS report

Read it/see it here: http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-...he-911-gt3-rs/. The results have appeared on the forum before, but there is some interesting input from the testers that I don't think we have seen before. I wonder if the Z06 loose rear end issue would have been less if Randy had tried a different PTM setting.
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Old 01-25-2016, 10:49 AM
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One of the most interesting comments is that they don't think the RS is as good as the "regular" GT3. Strange indeed considering the RS is a GT3 turned up to 11.
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Originally Posted by JIAZZ06
Read it/see it here: http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-...he-911-gt3-rs/. The results have appeared on the forum before, but there is some interesting input from the testers that I don't think we have seen before. I wonder if the Z06 loose rear end issue would have been less if Randy had tried a different PTM setting.
I take the results with a grain of salt.

They state the track was green and they insinuate that the Vette's runs were on a damp track as it "began to drizzle". Then they penalized it for being squirrely.

They used the Vettes squirrely handling to justify the slower Porsche's higher second place finish. This might make sense.....except the Porsche was the only car of the 3 that was looped at least 3 times and was damaged (beyond repair rumor has it) because someone (likely a professional driver) lost control of it. Guess it wasn't convenient to write that in the article.

To funny!

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Thanks for the article...It looks like all the cars had more in them...Although the lap-times were nice, I think they all could've gone at least .5s faster...not sure Randy woulda gotten into the 28s range in the Viper without factory/perfect conditions, but I'm sure he woulda gotten mid 29's or better...and I think the Z06 is capable of mid to low 1:32's...Overall, an impressive group of cars. Really curious about those Kumho's, hard to imagine a tire 'alot' better than the Cup 2's. Overall nice article.
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Thing is no one should be disappointed, except for perhaps relative standing. In absolute terms they're all brutally quick compared to anything affordable from not that long ago...
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Originally Posted by ZoratZ06
Really curious about those Kumho's, hard to imagine a tire 'alot' better than the Cup 2's. Overall nice article.
They are definitely soft but you also have to factor in how much wider the contact patch is with 295 fronts and absolutely enormous 355 rears on the ACR.
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Fast for one lap but I'd like to see the lap times after say a 20 minute stint.
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Originally Posted by dar02081961
I take the results with a grain of salt.

They state the track was green and they insinuate that the Vette's runs were on a damp track as it "began to drizzle". Then they penalized it for being squirrely.

They used the Vettes squirrely handling to justify the slower Porsche's higher second place finish. This might make sense.....except the Porsche was the only car of the 3 that was looped at least 3 times and was damaged (beyond repair rumor has it) because someone (likely a professional driver) lost control of it. Guess it wasn't convenient to write that in the article.

To funny!
It is in the article

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Originally Posted by TARANTULA
It is in the article
I must have missed the part about the RS being totaled would you care to point it out to me?

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Is amazing the GT3 with a much worse power to weight ratio is almost as fast as the Z06 in the main straight 140 mph to 138 for the Porsche.
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Originally Posted by dar02081961
I must have missed the part about the RS being totaled would you care to point it out to me?
My bad I though you were talking about the tree times the car spun.
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those gt3's are a danm good looking beetles.
don't get too hurt guys the viper has a mega wing and actual race car type areo. on a track like laguna with 3 very fast corners that aero is going to help quite a bit.
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That is a "credible" article, with results as you would expect. They are honest about the Viper's ergonomics (no one can drive home on a race track or the groceery store) which matters. The Porsche is always a performer but interesting the RS appears not to be an improvement. While I truly enjoy my Z06, it does take a bit of work to handle at the limit as very few here probably know. Best
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Originally Posted by Chris Creech
Fast for one lap but I'd like to see the lap times after say a 20 minute stint.
The Dodge would be in weeds, the Z06 would be overheated, and the Porsche would be repo'd.
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Originally Posted by DAVE396LT1
The Dodge would be in weeds, the Z06 would be overheated, and the Porsche would be repo'd.
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Originally Posted by Chris Creech
Fast for one lap but I'd like to see the lap times after say a 20 minute stint.
True. I'd like to see the condition of the Kumhos after couple sessions..
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Originally Posted by Snorman
One of the most interesting comments is that they don't think the RS is as good as the "regular" GT3. Strange indeed considering the RS is a GT3 turned up to 11.
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MT are idiots. Comparing a car that ran @ damp track to another car that ran @ much much better conditions. I wonder why people keep their subscriptions...
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Old 01-25-2016, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Creech
Fast for one lap but I'd like to see the lap times after say a 20 minute stint.

Considering MT has done track sessions with the Z06 (during the Nismo vs. Z07 test), they know that taking a cool down lap helps. I think the times would towards the end of the session become fairly close. The Kumhos apparently aren't great for lasting very long and once the Sport Cup 2s get warm (tires on both the GT3 RS and Z07), they don't grip well.

Originally Posted by Ivan Viera
Is amazing the GT3 with a much worse power to weight ratio is almost as fast as the Z06 in the main straight 140 mph to 138 for the Porsche.

While I somewhat agree, the GT3 RS has a better aero set up that creates downforce, but not as much drag. It also has a PDK vs. the TR6070 in the Z. 140 and 138 definitely isn't bad though considering the 918 and P1 will do about 150, and both of those cars make over 800 horsepower.

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MT are idiots. Comparing a car that ran @ damp track to another car that ran @ much much better conditions. I wonder why people keep their subscriptions...

I won't say they're "idiots" as they are credible and ran a same day test between all three cars. I will say however, why didn't they get help from the techs (from Porsche and Chevy) if they felt the cars weren't set up right? I'm pretty sure Jim Mero was there and I'm confident Porsche sent a team as well.
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While I somewhat agree, the GT3 RS has a better aero set up that creates downforce, but not as much drag. It also has a PDK vs. the TR6070 in the Z. 140 and 138 definitely isn't bad though considering the 918 and P1 will do about 150, and both of those cars make over 800 horsepower.


P1 and 918 did 155 mph and 153 mph back in March. No question that the PDK works its magic to stay close to the Z in the Straights. Also the GT3 much shorter gearing enhances acceleration despite having just 338 lb-ft of torque.




The GT3 RS also beats the Turbo S easily.


http://www.motortrend.com/news/compa...t3-rs-kiinote/
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I must have missed the part about the RS being totaled would you care to point it out to me?

Originally Posted by TARANTULA
My bad I though you were talking about the tree times the car spun.
This is supposedly the GT3RS used by MT.....

http://rennlist.com/articles/did-a-m...-past-weekend/

Latest word is the GT3RS is really FUBARED and is or should be totaled.

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