2nd Hellcat I bumped in to...C7 Z FTW!
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2nd Hellcat I bumped in to...C7 Z FTW!
so far this is the second encounter...the first one was a manual with exhaust (no headers) other then that it was stock..we did a 40mph roll...took it by about 1 1/2 until 130..he was alone in his car i had my roof open and had my gf in my car
my second encounter was a buddy of mines his is also a manual with afr intake..we did a 60 mph roll took him by half a car until 150..both were alone in the car.
btw my car is a m7 bone stock (level 3 z07)
my second encounter was a buddy of mines his is also a manual with afr intake..we did a 60 mph roll took him by half a car until 150..both were alone in the car.
btw my car is a m7 bone stock (level 3 z07)
#3
he had to shift one extra time then me and thats what gave me the edge
#4
Le Mans Master
it helps when their advertised HP is severely underrated. It sucks Dodge has a better motor than our car has. Imagine one of those engines in our Z06s, it would be downright nasty
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#5
Melting Slicks
well yes its about 900 lbs heavier but don't forget at about 120-130mph the c7z is weighs about 500lbs heavier due to down force and on top of that I'm a heavy set guy lol (350lb) so we were about same weight ....the only reason i took that second hellcat with intake was because of the c7z's gears
he had to shift one extra time then me and thats what gave me the edge
he had to shift one extra time then me and thats what gave me the edge
#6
I assume you didn't start from 120/130 mph, so down force weight isn't a issue. the Z06 should pull any hellcat from lower speed rolls. If I roll raced Z06's, First thing I would do is remove the all the aero. The cars have no top speed and I realize they were built for road course and superb handling.
#7
how does dodge have a better motor then us? just cuz it make a lil more hp? does stupid to say..does that mean the hellcat motor is a better more then the viper?...no
#8
Melting Slicks
I assume you didn't start from 120/130 mph, so down force weight isn't a issue. the Z06 should pull any hellcat from lower speed rolls. If I roll raced Z06's, First thing I would do is remove the all the aero. The cars have no top speed and I realize they were built for road course and superb handling.
Here's what I don't agree on, the "no top speed comment". The stage 1 aero Z06 will do 195+ (some have done 199-200) and even the Z07 (stage 3) will do 185. Plenty fast for anyone really. I don't know about you, but how many times do people attempt to achieve a top speed?
#9
It's not about starting at 120-130, once you get to those speeds, the downforce will kick in. I agree on removing aero (going down to stage 1 aero) if you roll race a lot.
Here's what I don't agree on, the "no top speed comment". The stage 1 aero Z06 will do 195+ (some have done 199-200) and even the Z07 (stage 3) will do 185. Plenty fast for anyone really. I don't know about you, but how many times do people attempt to achieve a top speed?
Here's what I don't agree on, the "no top speed comment". The stage 1 aero Z06 will do 195+ (some have done 199-200) and even the Z07 (stage 3) will do 185. Plenty fast for anyone really. I don't know about you, but how many times do people attempt to achieve a top speed?
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Team Owner
no we did a 60 mph roll...remember that hellcat was not stock it had intake. so right after the 3rd hank he pulled about a fender on me..it took me to 150 for me to be able to pull half a car on him...on paper he shoulda beat me..but thnx to our longer gears that wasn't the case...btw he raced can auto c7z with level 3 aero just like mine and beat it by half a car same day
Beat the Hellcat with an intake and later on the same day that same Hellcat beat the A8.
Just how I figured would happen in roll races. M7>A8 in rollraces.
I say this because of all the hype people put on the A8.
Yes it's lower gearing lends to easier faster 1/4 times. But they are not better, faster
in all respects.
Both do great things and are good choices for your reasons.
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#13
Team Owner
well yes its about 900 lbs heavier but don't forget at about 120-130mph the c7z is weighs about 500lbs heavier due to down force and on top of that I'm a heavy set guy lol (350lb) so we were about same weight ....the only reason i took that second hellcat with intake was because of the c7z's gears
he had to shift one extra time then me and thats what gave me the edge
he had to shift one extra time then me and thats what gave me the edge
#14
the one with exhaust was a lot easier for me to pull on..i pulled on it with my top open and another person next to me
#15
I raced a hellcat in a half mile event and barely won. They are running the same MPH's in these half mile and mile events and some are faster than the Z06. I had a Charger Hellcat and it was surprisingly fast for the weight. I'd say in a straight line, it all depends on the driver.
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I raced a hellcat in a half mile event and barely won. They are running the same MPH's in these half mile and mile events and some are faster than the Z06. I had a Charger Hellcat and it was surprisingly fast for the weight. I'd say in a straight line, it all depends on the driver.
Yep I agree it depends on the driver. Even more so in some cars because there is a learning curve on how to maximize the cars potential. (remember last year when no one could get a 3.2 sec 0-60 out of an M7....happens all the time now)
That said on the street it doesn't matter what you drive, if you get caught at the wrong time in the wrong gear OR if the other guy gets a jump, you are gonna lose. Been that way for years.
#17
One of those motors in a C7 would completely block the view out the front windshield. They are FAR too big to fit. They may have a hp advantage, the LT4 is a marvel of packaging.
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#18
Le Mans Master
Dodge did the blower setup right the 1st time, went overkill on intercoolers, it has both air to air and air to water, and was tested in 90 degree heat.
The problem with the vette is room, I'm anxious to see if 17 year model gets cooling updates, I'm seeing that the new ZL1 LT4 powered camaro has tons of updated cooling, but again there is much more space.
Im thinking Chevy has to do something to the Z06 now that the widebody GS s being released.
#19
Melting Slicks
I am a GM guy and the 707 hp hellcat is underated and doesn't seem to be affected by heatsoak as bad as the Z06. Using the Horsepower to weight ratio the hellcat should not beat a 662 hp gt500 and should not give the Z06 such a hard time. The Mopar , because its underated runs better than it should. The Z06 horse power is really what it is , not more than advertised.
#20
Melting Slicks
I think he is referring more to the supercharger setup that the LT4 has.
Dodge did the blower setup right the 1st time, went overkill on intercoolers, it has both air to air and air to water, and was tested in 90 degree heat.
The problem with the vette is room, I'm anxious to see if 17 year model gets cooling updates, I'm seeing that the new ZL1 LT4 powered camaro has tons of updated cooling, but again there is much more space.
Im thinking Chevy has to do something to the Z06 now that the widebody GS s being released.
Dodge did the blower setup right the 1st time, went overkill on intercoolers, it has both air to air and air to water, and was tested in 90 degree heat.
The problem with the vette is room, I'm anxious to see if 17 year model gets cooling updates, I'm seeing that the new ZL1 LT4 powered camaro has tons of updated cooling, but again there is much more space.
Im thinking Chevy has to do something to the Z06 now that the widebody GS s being released.
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