RussC243

Hi guys
@Jagamajajarn, dougz51 and SharkGreyVetteZ06

I called a couple forum dealers so I could order a 2017 Z06 and they say that they don't even have pricing from GM. I assume if your orders are at 1100, GM gave them the pricing.

Who did you order from? Any clue why ALL dealers are not able to places orders at the same time. I do understand 1100 does not mean much until the allocations come in july.
Thanks,
Russ
Stony Brook

E.T.D. Corvettes

My order is for a Grand Sport.

RussC243

That makes more sense. With all the talk of the cooling improvements for the 2017 Z06, I assumed your orders were for 2017 Z06's. Hope you get your GS soon

SharkgrayVetteZ06

I ordered from a small local Chevorlet dealer that has sold 5 Z06s and a few C7s. My dealer did not have an allocation but I went through the build process with them and they submitted my order. 1100 just means that the order has been submitted and just needs to be picked up by GM and it gets picked up when an allocation is found. The first consensus is July 21, my dealership told me this is when they can ask for allocations. Your dealer should let you put an order in. Also, the 2017 Z06 orders don't have pricing yet, but the pricing for everything stays the same. My dealership built the 2016 Z06 with me so we would know how much the car would come out to be. Then we built the 2017 Z06 and even though it doesn't give you pricing it's the same as the 2016 if you click the same options. For me it came out to about $106k. Talk to the manager at your dealership. You should be able to put an order in for a 17' even if pricing is not available yet.
Good luck!

Doug Z06

Pricing was released in mid May. The order guide was released a couple of weeks ago. No reason your dealer can't price the car and place the order. I'm no expert, so take this for what it's worth, but pricing has no bearing on whether or not a dealer can place an order or not. MSRP is what it is. What you end up paying when the car is delivered (or when ordered) is between you and the dealer.

SharkgrayVetteZ06

Yeah, not sure why they need to know the pricing for the 17'. I already knew how much the car I built was going to be so I built the 17' with my dealership. Your dealership can just build the 16' for pricing and delete that build and build the 17'. The pricing for the options will be the same. GM won't accept orders till July 28.

Doug Z06

No sure what you mean by no dealer can put an order in before July 28. My order is in, I have a 9 page build sheet and I'm at event code 1100. Perhaps no allocations are given to a dealer until late July. i.e. won't see an event code 2000 until late July.

SharkgrayVetteZ06

I should have phrased that better. The dealer can put an order in and mine is also at 1100 (preliminary order accepted) but GM won't start taking orders till July 28. We won't see any change in event code until July 28. Anybody who went to the dealership and put in an order is at 1100. That is for the Z06. Not sure about the grand sport or the c7.

SBC_and_a_stick

So there is no reason to watch the 2017 release this closely. By the time we get the 2017 car or its parts in '15 and '16 cars the summer is done anyway.

The first cars should be out in late August. Given the break in requirements the first track day for these guys will be in September.

For the rest of us early buyers we get our parts when GM is ready to sell them to us. At the very least it will be in the winter. We waited a lot for the second radiator once announced.

Ivan Viera

With the 17 cooling improvements what would be the weight penalty?


Tadge said some time ago that with better cooling there is an increase in mass.

b4i4getit

The increase in weight may not have been significant. I am sure they found a way to make the parts as light as possible. This has been an ongoing challenge with the C7 program since the beginning.

SBC_and_a_stick

The second radiator was pretty light. Removing the intercooler HE and replacing it with two HE's in the corners of the bumper would also add only a small amount. Additional reservoirs and pumps could add a bit more weight but I doubt all of it would go over 35 lbs.

Cooler engine means less timing pulled = more power. I think the extra power would offset the weight gains. Maybe not for a 0-60 run, but certainly for track use.

Stock C6 radiator weighs only 12 lbs:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ight-list.html

Ours is 10% smaller according to LG so it wouldn't weigh more. It also has plastic end tanks not hand made aluminum like the ZR1.

RussC243

After discussion with a couple forum dealers, sure they can enter the z06 order now but until gm starts with the allocations in late July the order will just sit there so there is no rush for them. They are busy finding homes for the remaining 2016's.

20171LE

The only this that's "ridiculous" is your attitude,
and the horrible delay when manually shifiting the A8.
So, yes, an upgrade to replace the A8 is absolutely needed, ASAP.

5thGear

If anything, GM should go to A7 or even back to A6. I previously owned an A8. I always felt that the problem with A8 is having two extra gears. In town, I used manual mode to hold it in 6th gear.
Going to A10 will not improve the delay in shift and no it's not horrible as you have described it. If GM wants to improve shift times and maintain relaibility then they need to go with dual clutch design. Can't be done with torque converter.
Also, A10 with more close ratios than A8 will generate even more heat.

graj6

Thanks Jeremy. It's great news that these cooling enhancements are present on 17s (mine's a Grand Sport order at 3400) along with the PCV reroute that you showed in the earlier picture from the Bash. Especially happy since mine's an A8 (daily driver + occasional track toy) and the cooling enhancements will help the transmission even on a non-Z06

jordanC6Z06

Awesome news about the cooling improvements! As I'm ordering a M7 this week, up in Canada here so not as easy to get. This will be my second vette, but my first brand new one! And I did it before I turned 30 which was always my goal. 2LZ, Torch red, stage 2 aero, black wheels, jet black interior. Can't wait till I get her next spring, long wait haha.

20171LE

EVERY car guy agrees with you that GM needs to go to a dual clutch.
And, I agree, that 7 gears is the sweet spot.
But, as long as fan boys refuse to hold GM accountable for their terrible transmissions and keep buying the junk, we will never get a DCT.

I probably just bought my last GM this weekend.
It has a clutch pedal.
And, instead of GM getting $100k+ of my money for a modern ZO6 with a DCT, I only paid 1/3 of that.

Wake up people, and demand a great transmission from GM.

b4i4getit

GM has to design for the complete product portfolio. The A8 and the A10 are corporate transmissions and are put in many GM vehicles. They pay back the development and manufacturing expense by putting it in as many vehicles as possible. Same as their engines. GM is not a niche builder of sports cars and cannot afford the luxury of bringing cutting edge technology to the Corvette unless it can be used elsewhere. I know that GM has a DCT designed and running in a Corvette. The reality is they cannot justify the manufacturing expense at this time for a low volume vehicle. Putting the DCT in a Silverado or Cruze is probably not a cost efficient proposition and they know that.

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