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Old 06-20-2017, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by NSC5
Had GM been a little more crafty at introduction, the A8 could have been programmed to short shift when set to track mode. This would have slowed it down in track mode but it wouldn't overheat and then they could try to place the blame for overheating on those who shifted it manually and let the LT4 run in the RPM range for which it was intended in track use.

Of course the proper and honest approach would have been to release the Z06 with a properly designed cooling system rather than only adding a different grill and slightly more powerful fan to the exact same system used for the LT1 which has much lower horsepower and no intercooler heat exchanger in the cooling stack.
NSC5, I agree about the short shift program, and somewhere it was discussed that GM should offer a program so you CAN run it in D. That would tell us where the threshold was. I would even pay for a GMPP
version of that for the hell of it. they could program it for different ambient temps, so it shifts at lower rpm etc for different temp levels.
It won't happen.
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Your really off topic, but don't you think the ZR1 will beat the ZL1? The thing is. Do you want a nice street car or a track car.
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Your really off topic, but don't you think the ZR1 will beat the ZL1? The thing is. Do you want a nice street car or a track car.
The Corvette's playing catch up. I'm Just looking for the festivities to begin!
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Originally Posted by johnglenntwo
The Corvette's playing catch up. I'm Just looking for the festivities to begin!
it will interesting to see the 1LE ring time
reg Zl1 posted 7:29
2012 z06/z07 posted 7:22 with 145 less HP
the 1LE may not even beat the 2012 c6z06/z07

its too bad that the 15/16 z's couldn't get a ring time
probably the heat soak.

GM should run a 17' z06/z07 M7 at the ring.

there is a good chance it can do a sub 7:10.

ZL1 1LE is nice but will never perform better than a 17 z06/z07 M7

unfortunately the 17' A8's are still overheating just takes a little longer. The torque converter is too large to fit the extra radiators/cooling lines the 17' M7 gets.
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Just back from Ron Fellows driving school. Drove a manual Z06 there in 100 to 120 degree heat. Cars ran fast and I did not overheat or come close to overheating. I don't understand how that is possible but that was my experience.
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Just got back from the sun's corona where I did eighty one hundred laps where its 5000 kelvin, car never broke 40 degrees! with the A/C goin' too!
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Good for you A/H.
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Originally Posted by Jsilvester81
it will interesting to see the 1LE ring time
reg Zl1 posted 7:29
2012 z06/z07 posted 7:22 with 145 less HP
the 1LE may not even beat the 2012 c6z06/z07

its too bad that the 15/16 z's couldn't get a ring time
probably the heat soak.

GM should run a 17' z06/z07 M7 at the ring.

there is a good chance it can do a sub 7:10.

ZL1 1LE is nice but will never perform better than a 17 z06/z07 M7

unfortunately the 17' A8's are still overheating just takes a little longer. The torque converter is too large to fit the extra radiators/cooling lines the 17' M7 gets.
Motor Trends test at Willow Springs had the ZL1 .8 seconds behind the Z06 in testing.
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Originally Posted by ritroman
Just back from Ron Fellows driving school. Drove a manual Z06 there in 100 to 120 degree heat. Cars ran fast and I did not overheat or come close to overheating. I don't understand how that is possible but that was my experience.
What year Z?

The A8s seem to have the issue more than the manuals. I believe that was the reason the manual is the "recommended" track car
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Originally Posted by Jsilvester81
it will interesting to see the 1LE ring time
reg Zl1 posted 7:29
2012 z06/z07 posted 7:22 with 145 less HP
the 1LE may not even beat the 2012 c6z06/z07

its too bad that the 15/16 z's couldn't get a ring time
probably the heat soak.

GM should run a 17' z06/z07 M7 at the ring.

there is a good chance it can do a sub 7:10.

ZL1 1LE is nice but will never perform better than a 17 z06/z07 M7

unfortunately the 17' A8's are still overheating just takes a little longer. The torque converter is too large to fit the extra radiators/cooling lines the 17' M7 gets.
I know for a fact where the new ZL1 1LE will land vs the ZO6. I was at the Motor Trend Best Drivers Car Test a few weeks back where Randy Pobst hot lapped both the ZL1 1LE and the Grand Sport ZO7 package. The Camaro is still a ways off of the ZO6 and closer to the Grand Sport than the ZO6. Both ZL1 1LE and the Grand Sport should be able to lap the ring faster than the C6 ZO6 time of 7:22 if we correlate Laguna times relative to Nurburgring times.
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Originally Posted by ritroman
Just back from Ron Fellows driving school. Drove a manual Z06 there in 100 to 120 degree heat. Cars ran fast and I did not overheat or come close to overheating. I don't understand how that is possible but that was my experience.
more feedback that GM can make a track ready car
the 2017 z06 M7 is the fixed product.


This car car gives the c7z the reputation it needs
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Originally Posted by Jsilvester81
it will interesting to see the 1LE ring time
reg Zl1 posted 7:29
2012 z06/z07 posted 7:22 with 145 less HP
the 1LE may not even beat the 2012 c6z06/z07

its too bad that the 15/16 z's couldn't get a ring time
probably the heat soak.

GM should run a 17' z06/z07 M7 at the ring.

there is a good chance it can do a sub 7:10.

ZL1 1LE is nice but will never perform better than a 17 z06/z07 M7

unfortunately the 17' A8's are still overheating just takes a little longer. The torque converter is too large to fit the extra radiators/cooling lines the 17' M7 gets.
Use GM's press from Milford you can get a theoretical ~7:16. Just use the track distances and their fact that the 1LE is 3s faster at Milford!

jvc? TECH contributer here has said it's around 7:10, by his sources. I have thought that perhaps they are holding it up because of all this overheating stuff. There is only so many reasons, therefore, if he is right it still might show at some point. How valid would it be in a car really so hit and miss. Tadge's background isn't about that!

The A8 is a great reason for the A10!


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Is the A10 that much better???
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Is the A10 that much better???
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