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also, the mph in those pics doesn't mean a thing unless multiple laps showed the same thing. Speed varies in areas as much as what? 5 7 10mph on any given straight at any given point. I could jist as easily skewed the ZR1 pics to show it going the same speed as the Z06 off I took my time. Big deal.
First, good drivers don't vary that much on the straights from lap to lap unless there is traffic or some other external factor. I'm pretty consistent within 2-3 MPH at most without traffic. Second, I compared the two record settings laps so in theory we are comparing best speed to best speed. It's not like I grabbed a couple random laps to compare.
Originally Posted by desibaba
There is a thread going on right now at the Mustang forum where some guy bought a base gt, did some mods and has more power, 0-60 and quarter mile time than a stock z06 at a lot less money spent overall and he is laughing at us Corvette guys.
There is always going to be someone out with a faster/better car than you. Get over it. Do you like your z06 and are you happy with it? Would you feel better if you spent the extra more and upgraded to a zr1 instead?
Right now there are guys who bought base stingray 1lts and have MORE power and performance than someone who gets a z06 just by mods and they still spent way less than we did on our z06s.
I personally opted for the Z because it has more power than I will ever need and I got a 10 year/100k miles bumper 2 bumper warranty for $2950 and I know I wont ever do any mods to the car. The zr1 guy is getting a 755 hp factory race car without cooling issues that can be driven daily and he can buy an extended warranty on it for many years.
Comparing the ZR1 to another car based on 1/4 mile and 0-60 times is like comparing it to an F-150 based on towing capacity. The ZR1 was made to destroy anything on a road course - that is its mission not drag racing.
Originally Posted by c5c6c7
If you bring your Zo6 to Calloway they'll boost you up to 757 HP for about whopping $20K+. For another $20K you get a brand new 2019 ZR1. I think thats not so bad considering a Z06 Calloway at the dealer is listed around $115-$120K.
Yeah, and a Z06 is just a base Stingray with an extra 200 HP, right? Forget about the better aero, added cooling, improved suspension, and improved braking.
For those that missed it, these are screen shots from the GM record lap on VIR Grand Course in the C7 Z06 and the C7 ZR1. Both were driven by Jim Mero and its worth noting that the ZR1 lap wasn't even a record attempt lap, it was part of normal testing and tuning and GM only put this out because Ford released their (slower) record GT lap. I firmly believe that if Jim was actually trying for a record lap there would be even more time to gain.
Same place on track at VIR, same driver, ZR1 vs Z06.
I think if any of us had the choice of a free brand new Z06 or the new ZR1 I know which one I would choose.
if we're gonna go there why not a 720s? Come on. It's the free part. And all the hoopla over the ZR1 that begins to exaggerate reality.
the true test imo is when poor sha gets his and puts down some times on his track. Obviously the ZR1 should be faster. it IS faster...as It's an improved upon Z06. It's the same car with a GM engineered "LG cooling kit, huge efficient blower, port and direct injection and huge wing. Not to mention the new improved programming for MRSC and the trans.
as for zero to anything. If anyone in a Z06 has tried to match chevy's 2.95 to 60 on the street somewhere and came close more power to ya. I tried today in a secluded area. Tried to do it with 1/4 tank but I forgot and filled it.
on a regular road not newer blacktop but an average stretch of country road I pulled a 3.3 with launch control on "dry"
maybe if I had the cup 2s and the road surface was warmer I could pull a 3.1 or 3.0? But it would have to be perfect as trying to feather it was a waste. Best times were letting launch control work which makes it leave super soft.
For those that missed it, these are screen shots from the GM record lap on VIR Grand Course in the C7 Z06 and the C7 ZR1. Both were driven by Jim Mero and its worth noting that the ZR1 lap wasn't even a record attempt lap, it was part of normal testing and tuning and GM only put this out because Ford released their (slower) record GT lap. I firmly believe that if Jim was actually trying for a record lap there would be even more time to gain.
Same place on track at VIR, same driver, ZR1 vs Z06.
with all due respect, the pictures you're posting are not in the "exact" same position on that track. the closest one is probably the second pic (the middle) and the 8mph give or take is probably more in line with an actual difference.
looking forward to hearing your thoughts on that? or maybe i'm missing something. was just a big fan of those little pictures with "7 differences" you played as a kid. that's what i keep seeing.
with all due respect, the pictures you're posting are not in the "exact" same position on that track. the closest one is probably the second pic (the middle) and the 8mph give or take is probably more in line with an actual difference.
looking forward to hearing your thoughts on that? or maybe i'm missing something. was just a big fan of those little pictures with "7 differences" you played as a kid. that's what i keep seeing.
Then he hoaxed us and Corvette Blogger!
Last edited by Always Red Dave; 04-15-2018 at 12:27 PM.
I think if any of us had the choice of a free brand new Z06 or the new ZR1 I know which one I would choose.
Wouldn't we all?
Since they are far from FREE! What you said doesn't seem to apply!
I think the 2019 Z06 and 2019 ZR1 are different cars and I personally
think the Z06 is the better street car. I have some hilly terrain and dips and so forth. around both my Oregon homes. I don't see the ZR1 front spoiler as asset on the street.
Far from it! It seems it would get ruined quickly. I just changed my 3rd poverty spoiler out on the Z06.
The biggest difference in the C7 Corvette is not ZR1 to Z06!
It is M7 to A8! The Z06 pricing with discounts allows me to have both choices! Far better in my book than 1 ZR1
IMO Also the order in 0-60 contests will be ZR1 A8 then the Z06 A8 both beating the M7's
yea, the front splitter is so much more pronounced on the ZR1it would scare me around here.i scrape now even with knowing everything about the terrain I traverse lol.. my C6 no splitter still caught some spots.. dips, curbs, driveways SPEEDBUMPS all suck!
the title of this thread is silly. anything sub 3 seconds is insane thinking back just a few years ago, outside of million dollar exotics and electric cars was a pipe dream..
I can't wait for some ZR owners to use the 0-60 timers on the street. i have never gotten better than a 3.3 on average black top and that was yesterday after almost 2 years. makes it fun though to try lol i can't see the ZR getting there quicker with even MORE power and it having to come on slower as the Z06 is maybe WOT at about 35 40 using launch control.
yea, the front splitter is so much more pronounced on the ZR1it would scare me around here.i scrape now even with knowing everything about the terrain I traverse lol.. my C6 no splitter still caught some spots.. dips, curbs, driveways SPEEDBUMPS all suck!
the title of this thread is silly. anything sub 3 seconds is insane thinking back just a few years ago, outside of million dollar exotics and electric cars was a pipe dream..
I can't wait for some ZR owners to use the 0-60 timers on the street. i have never gotten better than a 3.3 on average black top and that was yesterday after almost 2 years. makes it fun though to try lol i can't see the ZR getting there quicker with even MORE power and it having to come on slower as the Z06 is maybe WOT at about 35 40 using launch control.
On stock rubber the ZR1 will have a hard time using any of the extra 100hp from the dig.
Since the GM added some weight on the front and widened the front foot print both `won't help the 0-60 effort from the ZR1 esp with the M7.
All screen shots were taken to show max speed before slowing for the same corner. The Z06 typically had to lift a little sooner but I wanted to give the Z06 the highest speed for comparison.
=Poor-sha;1597002459]Hope your kidding. Nobody said they were done on the same day or that Jim Mero hopped out of one car as in to the other.
I've linked to both videos on my YouTube channel. Everyone is welcome to make their own comparisons.
ONLY KIDDING as I am not knowledgeable enough where to begin on tracking a Corvette around a RACE TRACK as I hardly leave my home town with my Z06. SO I GUESS YOU COULD CALL ME A WAXER!
Last edited by Always Red Dave; 04-15-2018 at 02:07 PM.
Also why does the ZR1 pictures have clear skies and the Z06 pictures have cloudy skies!!
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Guaranteed it’s an older model year Z06 and the new PDR software, (and hardware (?) in the ZR1 is far superior. The Z06 pix look like mine did in my ‘15.
Guaranteed it’s an older model year Z06 and the new PDR software, (and hardware (?) in the ZR1 is far superior. The Z06 pix look like mine did in my ‘15.
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man. I don't know how I missed that. That's exactly what it is good catch.
poor-sha. - I don't doubt you took max speed before slowing screen shots. Can't wait to see what you do with yours. I honestly don't care who or what time has been shown by gm. Gonna be so interesting to see what you say about the new car vs old. No offense but you without any corporate backing etc will be able to give a truly unbiased opinion (e.g. worried about getting hands on the next new release quickly because you said something negative about it or getting cut out of the loop etc.)
Guaranteed it’s an older model year Z06 and the new PDR software, (and hardware (?) in the ZR1 is far superior. The Z06 pix look like mine did in my ‘15.
Bish
man. I don't know how I missed that. That's exactly what it is good catch.
poor-sha. - I don't doubt you took max speed before slowing screen shots. Can't wait to see what you do with yours. I honestly don't care who or what time has been shown by gm. Gonna be so interesting to see what you say about the new car vs old. No offense but you without any corporate backing etc will be able to give a truly unbiased opinion (e.g. worried about getting hands on the next new release quickly because you said something negative about it or getting cut out of the loop etc.)[/QUOTE]
Thanks for that. I have to admit that I'm actually a little nervous about seeing what the ZR1 can do. We're getting in to some really ludicrous speeds (straightline and cornering) in a $145K car without a cage. It's probably going to take a few outing to work up to anywhere close to its potential. I guess we'll all see soon enough.
I just looked up the new ZR1 on Chevy's website and the based ZR1 at an up-charge over a new based Z06 at an additional $42,000 gets you 2.85 seconds 0-60 vs 2.95, well done LOLOLOL
04-14-2018, 08:53 PM
On stock rubber the ZR1 will have a hard time using any of the extra 100hp from the dig. 
