Aftermarket remote start for M7?
#1
Drifting
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Aftermarket remote start for M7?
Has anyone had one installed? If so, what make/model? I've talked to a number of shops and most won't do it because of "liability" (which is the dumbest **** I've ever heard) but the one that said they'd do it said they researched it a bit and said it was bad for the C7 as the clutch needs to be depressed to supply hydraulic fluid during start up or some crap like that. Anyone have any info on it?
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Doesn't matter whether or not a car has a mechanical or hydraulic clutch. Federal Rules require the clutch to be disengaged before the starter is engaged. You can no longer use the starter to move the car by putting it in gear letting the clutch out and then bumping the starter. They don't want a car to accidentally start moving or to have its engine start while it is in gear. This rule has been in place for several decades.
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#3
Drifting
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^^^ Yes I know that. Hence I said most places won't do it. I've had remote start on manuals before, as well as cars where I didn't have to push the clutch to start it, as have many of my friends. It USED to be really simple to disable the clutch sensor to do so. I digress. The question is if anyone is using a remote start or not and if they know anything about the physical limitations of it on the M7. I sure don't obey the speed limit. Why would I care if it's not legal to start my car without the clutch engaged. What cop would even check that??
Last edited by Steve Garrett; 12-01-2018 at 01:53 PM.
#4
Le Mans Master
It would be neat to have this feature so you can hear it crackle better at cold start. A8’s have it but default to stealth mode on restart as I understand
#5
Drifting
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It really just boils down to disabling the clutch start switch. Looks like I'm not the only one trying to figure this out, though this thread is super old https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-function.html
#6
Maybe build a relay that has the clutch depressed signal initiate for the remote start situation (and only if the car is detected to be in neutral if you want to get fancy... or parking break must be engaged, etc, so that it does not drive off upon starting)
Either way, I think a relay would have to be built for the clutch sensor, because if your clutch pedal is ALWAYS sensed to be depressed, I'm sure it would mess up your rev matching etc during driving operation.
Either way, I think a relay would have to be built for the clutch sensor, because if your clutch pedal is ALWAYS sensed to be depressed, I'm sure it would mess up your rev matching etc during driving operation.
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Drifting
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Maybe build a relay that has the clutch depressed signal initiate for the remote start situation (and only if the car is detected to be in neutral if you want to get fancy... or parking break must be engaged, etc, so that it does not drive off upon starting)
Either way, I think a relay would have to be built for the clutch sensor, because if your clutch pedal is ALWAYS sensed to be depressed, I'm sure it would mess up your rev matching etc during driving operation.
Either way, I think a relay would have to be built for the clutch sensor, because if your clutch pedal is ALWAYS sensed to be depressed, I'm sure it would mess up your rev matching etc during driving operation.
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#10
Drifting
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It shouldn't be terribly difficult, but I guess that's not a mod a lot of people care about. Maybe it's more a ricer thing. I definitely got hooked on that back circa 2000 when I was station in Cali and was in an import car crew and everyone I knew did the clutch start bypass.
#11
Le Mans Master
I don't think it's a ricer thing. There is a lot of risk in doing this if you leave the car in gear. A long while back I put a remote starter in my Integra manual transmission. 90s era...
I inadvertently pressed start while the fob was in my pocket digging for something else and the car lurched forward a few feet before stalling out. Thank God it didn't smash the car in front of it. I guess having 120 lbs of torque had Its advantages.
I inadvertently pressed start while the fob was in my pocket digging for something else and the car lurched forward a few feet before stalling out. Thank God it didn't smash the car in front of it. I guess having 120 lbs of torque had Its advantages.
#12
Racer
I have a '16 A8 Z06/Z07 that is set to track mode exhaust and it cracks at remote startup and runs really loud....I LOVE IT!
#13
Le Mans Master
Not just a bypass relay for the clutch... You'll also need a relay to temporarily power an extra keyfob that will need to be hardwired and stay in the car at all times. (Car won't start without a known fob inside, even with the clutch safety bypassed). Automatics can get away with this using specialized OEM circuitry that I'm pretty sure will not be accessible in your manual car, but I'm not 100% on that.
But if you're already onto figuring out a clutch safety bypass, I'm guessing you've probably already figured the fob part out?
But if you're already onto figuring out a clutch safety bypass, I'm guessing you've probably already figured the fob part out?
Last edited by Kent1999; 12-03-2018 at 02:28 AM.
#14
Heel & Toe
Just a note, on the 2019 models you have to press the clutch pedal AND the brake pedal to start so it’s a little more complicated yet. I don’t know if it’s that way on all 2019 model cars (maybe some new federal mandate ?) but sure is on my 1LT.
#15
Drifting
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GROSS!! I know automatics are doing the "press the brake" crap, which I don't get. Just a couple of years ago you just got in and turned the key and as long as it was in park, it turned over. Sure am glad I don't have a 2019 then!!
#16
Drifting
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Not just a bypass relay for the clutch... You'll also need a relay to temporarily power an extra keyfob that will need to be hardwired and stay in the car at all times. (Car won't start without a known fob inside, even with the clutch safety bypassed). Automatics can get away with this using specialized OEM circuitry that I'm pretty sure will not be accessible in your manual car, but I'm not 100% on that.
But if you're already onto figuring out a clutch safety bypass, I'm guessing you've probably already figured the fob part out?
But if you're already onto figuring out a clutch safety bypass, I'm guessing you've probably already figured the fob part out?
#17
Burning Brakes
There are some aftermarket solutions (I think Viper may still be an option) but is an engineering nightmare for all of the reasons listed. Zero option with the factory fob...
If you want remote start in an M7, get ready to spend a lot to override Federally mandated safety regulations that most installers won't tackle. I say this researching remote start for my previous C6 and decided it was not worth the expense and hassle.
Bought an A8 Z06 C7 instead and love the option of starting via a fob or my phone, along with countless other benefits!
Allen
If you want remote start in an M7, get ready to spend a lot to override Federally mandated safety regulations that most installers won't tackle. I say this researching remote start for my previous C6 and decided it was not worth the expense and hassle.
Bought an A8 Z06 C7 instead and love the option of starting via a fob or my phone, along with countless other benefits!
Allen
Last edited by Allen_B; 12-03-2018 at 07:47 PM.
#18
Drifting
I actually thought of that, but figured that couldn't be the case because if you leave a key fob in there, anyone just just get in and crank the car at any time. Not to mention it would be stupid annoying with the triple beep that sounds every time you get out of the car and close the door with the fob inside. I assumed you could do whatever magic the automatics have. The shop said they had no issue doing it, so I assumed they took that into account. Guess I'll have to ask.
But I'm not going to... why?
Because you keep asking the same question (you did in ~May 2017) without apparently listening to anything people were/are saying (reread the old thread you linked).
Plus you seem like one of these guys who would remote start the car into the wall, or let it run down the driveway.
Don't bother PMing me either!
Last edited by Parcival; 12-03-2018 at 08:01 PM.
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#19
Le Mans Master
I actually thought of that, but figured that couldn't be the case because if you leave a key fob in there, anyone just just get in and crank the car at any time. Not to mention it would be stupid annoying with the triple beep that sounds every time you get out of the car and close the door with the fob inside. I assumed you could do whatever magic the automatics have. The shop said they had no issue doing it, so I assumed they took that into account. Guess I'll have to ask.
One day, you WILL forget to leave it in neutral (yes, you will -- everyone makes mistakes), and your car kills someone by running them over when you remote-start it. The least of your problems will be that your installer has hacked (and I do mean hacked in the worst sense) into your very-complex C7's super-sensitive electronics. If you ONLY end up chasing mysterious dead battery or other electrical gremlin incidents, you'll be very lucky.
#20
Drifting
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I can tell you the exact DIY way, with links to both commercial parts and method, to handle all the issues you care about (clutch interlock, sensing parking brake engaged and in neutral, remote starter activation, and even the key fob security issue without the annoying three beeps when you leave it in the car) specifically for the C7 Corvette, with the same available system that has been installed on a manual Viper ACR and a prior gen Corvette..
But I'm not going to... why?
Because you keep asking the same question (you did in ~May 2017) without apparently listening to anything people were/are saying (reread the old thread you linked).
Plus you seem like one of these guys who would remote start the car into the wall, or let it run down the driveway.
Don't bother PMing me either!
But I'm not going to... why?
Because you keep asking the same question (you did in ~May 2017) without apparently listening to anything people were/are saying (reread the old thread you linked).
Plus you seem like one of these guys who would remote start the car into the wall, or let it run down the driveway.
Don't bother PMing me either!
Also, I HIGHLY doubt you know how to do it. YOU seem like one of those kids on the school bus that says "I know but I'm not gonna telllllllllll you" because you actually don't know, you just wanna be a dick.
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