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Old 12-12-2021, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 99vetteran
I had the second or third 2650 built back in 2019 when I was working/drag racing for Magnuson and at that time the 112 was in development and not available yet but since I already had a 103 on my 2300 Maggie I just moved everything over to the 2650 since we were busting *** to make it to the 2019 Camaro Fest in early July. I know some of the Gen6 Camaro guys are running them but my buddy Jason Leiva which is the 2nd fastest with a 2650 at 8.48@163 just went to a 120mm TB but has been running into belt slippage so he's waiting on a new Ten Rib setup from Mike at Toohighpsi. His Camaro make about 1250 rwhp so it will make more as soon as the issue is resolved and should be able to run 8.20s or so. The 8 rib just won't hold the power
Curious what kind of power we're you see out of the 2300 and what all mods did you have?
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Originally Posted by JasonVette
That's a lot of PSI. Easily 1k+ whp on those 2650s I'd imagine.


My shop is in Houston. My tuner is Matt Sorian of MSTuning.
They both make over 1200 rwhp and do have chutes for safety at 160 plus mph.

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Originally Posted by Bryan Berrong
Curious what kind of power we're you see out of the 2300 and what all mods did you have?
My 2300 made 770 or so and ran 9.82@140 w/1.40 60 ft. So basically the motor made about 100 more rwhp going from the 2300 to 2650, we orginally only made about 80 more rwhp when we first tuned it but continually worked on it and ran pretty good for what it was, just needed a good fuel system to pull the rest of the power out of it. When your out of fuel your out of power, we never tuned the trans either and that's probably why its still in the car with the stock converter after over 250 passes and 13500 miles. Even though I went thru a couple short block we never pulled the trans or converter. Fluid looked perfect every time I dumped fluid out of the converter so all I did was just fill the converter back up before we put the motor back in. We could have pulled a couple more tenths out of a good trans tune but you always risk trans failure when you punish the trans like I did. Stock diff was still in it also when I sold it, I did add Dss axles and Chromoly DS.
It had BTR stage 1 cam, dod delete and stock head with .680 Btr springs. No porting on the heads or 2650. It was an Lt4 short block with Lt1 heads on the last build. It broke the crank on the Manley forged short block I built after the Lt1 gave up after 180 runs.
Old 12-13-2021, 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by JaimeVette27
is he good to work with? I would like someone that goes to the track and invites even if u gotta pay to tune it at the track. Or at least responds to revise a data log in a normal time frame.
He's one of the best tuners there is. Many shops in Houston and out of state use him. I can't answer any questions as far as customer service because I've never needed to contact him after my car was tuned by him. The one time I spoke with him we spoke at length about my build and he was incredibly knowledgeable. However he is popular so I wouldn't be surprised if it's difficult to get to him.
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Originally Posted by JaimeVette27
I don’t want to say the shops name just Incase it’s not accurate so they don’t get burned. But I recently saw a lt4 car with Magnuson 2650, 112 Tb, and 5” cordes intake make 910whp with no E85, no meth, and no low side fuel system. In a way it makes sense. 15lbs of boost on a 1.7 supercharger, could be bade with the same amount of power on 10lbs of boost with a bigger super charger because it’s more efficient. My question is has anyone ran the 2650 with the 112 Tb? What kinda power are you making? Has anyone ported the 2650? Iv seen that jokers offers full tilt port on it, I would imagine that would help too.
Absolutely no way without fuel system upgrades, cam, or meth or some combo of the three. Especially not on pump 93. Race gas or E85, maybe but not likely given the fuel system on the LT4 is only good for around 700 whp no matter how much boost you put to it. A cam can overdrive the high side but it'll just suck the low-side dry and that'll happen well before 900+ whp. It's easily doable with a cam and low-side on race gas or E85 with the right pulley combo though.

The 112mm TB paired with the 5" Cordes CAI makes sense because 112mm is just shy of 4.5" so there is really no restriction of the airway on the path into the blower so I'd do it if you plan to run that particular CAI.
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Originally Posted by 2ZORNOT2Z
Absolutely no way without fuel system upgrades, cam, or meth or some combo of the three. Especially not on pump 93. Race gas or E85, maybe but not likely given the fuel system on the LT4 is only good for around 700 whp no matter how much boost you put to it. A cam can overdrive the high side but it'll just suck the low-side dry and that'll happen well before 900+ whp. It's easily doable with a cam and low-side on race gas or E85 with the right pulley combo though.

The 112mm TB paired with the 5" Cordes CAI makes sense because 112mm is just shy of 4.5" so there is really no restriction of the airway on the path into the blower so I'd do it if you plan to run that particular CAI.
Yup I totally agree with the fueling its just way too much for E85 but just didn't want to argue about it anymore.

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Originally Posted by 99vetteran
We could have made much more but when the low side is dropping into the 40s then not going to push it plus we were only on 13 lbs of boost so wasn't close to pushing the bounds plus we weren't running any meth either. Mine was an Lt1 Camaro, my C7 is just bolt ons and I never worry about what the dyno says it ran 9.33@149 at 3900 lbs so not worried about numbers. My heads were bone stock except for the springs and no porting on the blower as its not needed.

There you go! A trap speed like that is just fine with me I would be very happy with that! My '18Z is bone stock now except for a new filter and airbox. I suppose a cam/springs set is considered a bolt on? Any chance you can lmk what parts I would need to achieve those numbers? This is a daily driver though and will run on pump gas.
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Originally Posted by speedz06
There you go! A trap speed like that is just fine with me I would be very happy with that! My '18Z is bone stock now except for a new filter and airbox. I suppose a cam/springs set is considered a bolt on? Any chance you can lmk what parts I would need to achieve those numbers? This is a daily driver though and will run on pump gas.
Stock Magnuson 2650 16 Camaro SS, 103 TB, Stock heads big BTR .680 Springs, Btr Stage 1 Cam, DOD delete of course, Lt4 Short block, A8 Trans and Stock Converter, No Meth, C16, 13-14 lbs of boost, 23 degrees of timing, longtubes no Cats with full stock exhaust behind LTs. Stock diff, DSS axles and Chromoly DS. Lt4 HPFP, Lt4 injectors, Zl1 intank fuel pump, Magnuson Boost a Pump. Weight was 3890 with me the driver including 6 pt Chromoly Roll Bar. Thats it, no more or no less. I ran Race Star Wheels with MT skinnies up front and RSW 17x10.5 on the rears with MT drag radial on the rear. You could run about 18 degrees of timing on 93 octane so not as much hp but still run 9s@145 or so.



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