Can 2018 ZR1 top Porsche's new ring record of 6:47 in their GT2 RS?
09-27-2017, 07:30 PM
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Can 2018 ZR1 top Porsche's new ring record of 6:47 in their GT2 RS?
What do you all think the ZR1 can run at the ring.
For a while a sub 7 seemed impressive, now we have a time under 6:50... think the ZR1 will go for 6:45?
BTW The GT2 RS starts at $293,000.
For a while a sub 7 seemed impressive, now we have a time under 6:50... think the ZR1 will go for 6:45?
BTW The GT2 RS starts at $293,000.
09-27-2017, 07:35 PM
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I think the ZR1 is built for the Ring. No reason to think that it will not top the GT2.
09-27-2017, 07:38 PM
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Uh, I don't think there will be a 2018 ZR1.
More likely a 2019 ZR1. After watching a Cayman S drop a GS in a drag race, I hope the ZR1 can put the Corvette name back on top.
More likely a 2019 ZR1. After watching a Cayman S drop a GS in a drag race, I hope the ZR1 can put the Corvette name back on top.
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09-27-2017, 09:28 PM
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What tires were on the Porsche for that sub-7 second run?
09-27-2017, 09:53 PM
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Porsches superior handling to start with.
Add rear axle steering to that for even more capability.
Magnesium wheels, ultra light weight to only be bested by carbon fiber wheels.
Let's not even talk about how insane 5 seconds (5 SECONDS) faster than the Lambo is this close to it setting a record... The same record that everybody thought was so insane it had to be fake.
I'm not saying it's not possible, but a larger blower and some super downforce alone ain't gonna cut it here.
09-27-2017, 10:07 PM
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I'll wait until these are announced before forming an opinion.
I'm not saying it's not possible, but a larger blower and some super downforce alone ain't gonna cut it here.
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09-27-2017, 10:21 PM
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The GT2 RS only weighs 3200 or so with a full tank, so like what, 300lbs lighter than the Z06 with Z07? It will take a serious diet to get the ZR1 down 300 lbs, then the GT2 has 700hp/553tq, so I expect a nice tq advantage to the ZR1, likely equal hp though.
I could see possible CF wheels on the ZR1, but nothing as extreme as rear axle steering. Downforce should be a wash between the two, as will tires.
Unless they have something crazy up their sleeve we don't see coming, I feel pretty comfortable with my assumptions.
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09-28-2017, 12:48 AM
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"GT2 has 700hp/553tq"
Yikes, that's a lot of HP.
Thinking it was an NA, I was impressed with the above numbers and went to the Porsche site.
I didn't realized the car is a TT...
Maybe not rear axle steering, but I think it is a good bet there will be some sort of Active Aero to the ZR.
Looking at the always camouflaged rear in the spy photos, it's the only thing that makes sense.
Yikes, that's a lot of HP.
Thinking it was an NA, I was impressed with the above numbers and went to the Porsche site.
I didn't realized the car is a TT...
Maybe not rear axle steering, but I think it is a good bet there will be some sort of Active Aero to the ZR.
Looking at the always camouflaged rear in the spy photos, it's the only thing that makes sense.
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09-28-2017, 12:57 AM
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Time will tell, but I am hoping that the ZR1 will be very competitive to that time if not surpass it.
09-28-2017, 01:28 AM
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Pretty tall order there, from the videos of the ZR1's at Nurburgring the car looks and sounds the part, but that's a pretty serious time to beat. Does anyone know who drove for the record lap? I know Mark Webber and Walter Rorhl both were involved in the development of the GT2RS, but the driver was not listed. It would be really nice if the ZR1 could top the Porsche.
09-28-2017, 03:44 AM
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I can think of quite a few reasons.
Porsches superior handling to start with.
Add rear axle steering to that for even more capability.
Magnesium wheels, ultra light weight to only be bested by carbon fiber wheels.
Let's not even talk about how insane 5 seconds (5 SECONDS) faster than the Lambo is this close to it setting a record... The same record that everybody thought was so insane it had to be fake.
I'm not saying it's not possible, but a larger blower and some super downforce alone ain't gonna cut it here.
Porsches superior handling to start with.
Add rear axle steering to that for even more capability.
Magnesium wheels, ultra light weight to only be bested by carbon fiber wheels.
Let's not even talk about how insane 5 seconds (5 SECONDS) faster than the Lambo is this close to it setting a record... The same record that everybody thought was so insane it had to be fake.
I'm not saying it's not possible, but a larger blower and some super downforce alone ain't gonna cut it here.
09-28-2017, 05:10 AM
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Sub 7 min. would be impressive, never mind actually beating that time.
09-28-2017, 07:02 AM
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Pretty tall order there, from the videos of the ZR1's at Nurburgring the car looks and sounds the part, but that's a pretty serious time to beat. Does anyone know who drove for the record lap? I know Mark Webber and Walter Rorhl both were involved in the development of the GT2RS, but the driver was not listed. It would be really nice if the ZR1 could top the Porsche.
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09-28-2017, 07:02 AM
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I for one, just don't care. I kind of agree with James May, every time a road car gets "tuned" for the Ring, they make it a worse car for the real world. And really, who the hell wants to daily drive a GT2rs?
Yes it's fun to play what if, but really, it's just mental masturbation.
Yes it's fun to play what if, but really, it's just mental masturbation.
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09-28-2017, 09:01 AM
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I think 7 minutes +/- 5 seconds based on Z06 time. I don't think the added power will help all that much. It'll mostly be whatever improved tires/suspension they throw on to help traction.
09-28-2017, 09:03 AM
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As has been stated before, you need a driver who knows the "ring" like the back of their hand. That's why Sabine Schmidt can complete the course under 10 minutes in a minivan.
09-28-2017, 10:58 AM
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Nick Tandy (their LMP1 program driver) and Lars Kern (factory driver) both took turns.
What does me driving it have to do with anything? Would you argue the C7 variants have superior handling to the 911 variants?
I wouldn't.
What would be different here, then?
Unless the Zr1 gets a completely new chassis and completely overhauled suspension (which I'm pretty sure it won't, likely component changes within) it would be hard to make the argument otherwise.
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