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Along with your guess on the price. How many people do you think that will fall for the age old trap of paying over sticker. It is something that shouldn't happen but seems way to common in some states.
not certain if your handle is intended to convey a message, but do you realize that the "ethanol" word in it is misspelled?
14 on the motor is way low then you forgot coolers and plenty of other stuff. The new hood and bonnet is 5k alone.
I think it is 124,000 to start and drifts up to 149,000 or more. How much is that big wing is easy 3-4 or more!
14k is the actual price increase from a GS to a Z06. 5k is the actual price increase in going from a narrow body Z51 to a GS. You can argue whether the difference from an LT1 to an LT4 is less than going from an LT4 to an LT5 but I think it is.
The more I think about this, I think the ZR1 will be very reasonably priced. GM wants to recoup the development costs and the easiest way to do that is volume. The option for a convertible and automatic also says they are going for mass appeal and not just a limited halo case. I wouldn't be surprised to see a base just under 100k.
Just wondering for a TRACK CAR why would want any thing more than the base with good brakes....... so base Z is 80$ base Zr , wing , coolers , hood 100hp?
14k is the actual price increase from a GS to a Z06. 5k is the actual price increase in going from a narrow body Z51 to a GS. You can argue whether the difference from an LT1 to an LT4 is less than going from an LT4 to an LT5 but I think it is.
The more I think about this, I think the ZR1 will be very reasonably priced. GM wants to recoup the development costs and the easiest way to do that is volume. The option for a convertible and automatic also says they are going for mass appeal and not just a limited halo case. I wouldn't be surprised to see a base just under 100k.
I doubt very much for a base at under 100k because.... If you equipped a 1LZ Z06 $79,495 and added the following items that is standard on the ZR1 such as the carbon fiber side skirts...$3995, exposed carbon fiber roof panel... $1995, carbon fiber exposed hood... $1995, Brembo carbon ceramic brakes $7495. You would be at $96,070 MSRP with freight for a 1LZ Z06. Then you have to add the carbon fiber rear wing cost the extra coolers the larger supercharger and the whole new front clip and r&d. Even if there was a $10,000 premium over the Z06 comparably equipped you would be looking at least $106,000. I think that $109,495 is going to be real close to the real number IMHO.
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My 12' was $126,595 with options ($111,525 base price). This base looks a little higher than the earlier MY sticker shown. I can't imagine why the C7 ZR1 would be any less than this.. Things just get more expensive thanks to inflation. Also, it's not like they are downgrading the car to reach a different demographic like Nissan did when going from the 300zx to 350z.
I'm going to guess that the C7 ZR1 will have a base price a hair below $120k. With regular aero and equivalent of 3ZR trim, I'm going to guess $135k. With track aero, plus other misc track options I say add another 10K to get you to around $145k.
Here's my window sticker to give you some context...built to the hilt.
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My 12' was $126,595 with options ($111,525 base price). This base looks a little higher than the earlier MY sticker shown. I can't imagine why the C7 ZR1 would be any less than this.. Things just get more expensive thanks to inflation. Also, it's not like they are downgrading the car to reach a different demographic like Nissan did when going from the 300zx to 350z.
I'm going to guess that the C7 ZR1 will have a base price a hair below $120k. With regular aero and equivalent of 3ZR trim, I'm going to guess $135k. With track aero, plus other misc track options I say add another 10K to get you to around $145k.
I had forgotten how much the C6 ZR1 were when they came out.
I had forgotten how much the C6 ZR1 were when they came out.
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If you can wait 4 years, you'll be able to pick up a low mileage garage queen for about half. 50% depreciation is pretty typical after first four years, then it slows a bit. Let the first owner take the hit.
I had forgotten how much the C6 ZR1 were when they came out.
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i didn’t track C6 ZR1 sales but from everything I’ve read didn’t after the initial wave got there’s, they sat because no one was wanting to pay that much? How much were they actually selling for after 6-8 months? I know economy had an impact but I think it was just priced too high at the time.
i didn’t track C6 ZR1 sales but from everything I’ve read didn’t after the initial wave got there’s, they sat because no one was wanting to pay that much? How much were they actually selling for after 6-8 months? I know economy had an impact but I think it was just priced too high at the time.
I don't think the C6 or C7 ZR1 were ever meant to sell in volume There were only 4,684 C6 ZR1s built total after a 5 year run. These are halo cars. Most people get excited reading about the halo car, then settle for other models so they still indirectly bring in business.
I don't think the C6 or C7 ZR1 were ever meant to sell in volume. There were only 4,684 C6 ZR1s built total after a 5 year run. These are halo cars. Most people get excited reading about the halo car, but settle for other models so they still indirectly bring in business.
The ZR1 is supremely capable and while it will surely be expensive, it will still be a performance bargain relatively speaking. The GT2RS for reference is starting at $293,200 when the 911 turbo starts at $161,800.
That doesn’t really answer my question though. You can sell limited and get msrp like gt3rs or limited and sell at discounts like the viper. I’m just curious how they actually sold after the first 6 months. i looked and saw there best year was about 1500 ZR1. According to MT, GM wants to sell 2-3k year so I’d say price better not jump too much or they won’t make it. Of course there’s the entirety separate question of how many years are left for the C7.
That doesn’t really answer my question though. You can sell limited and get msrp like gt3rs or limited and sell at discounts like the viper. I’m just curious how they actually sold after the first 6 months. i looked and saw there best year was about 1500 ZR1. According to MT, GM wants to sell 2-3k year so I’d say price better not jump too much or they won’t make it. Of course there’s the entirety separate question of how many years are left for the C7.
The ZR1 registry list number built not sold, but this still gives us a rough idea. There were the most built in 2009 & 2010. If you recall, there was a lot of excitement in the press before this car arrived, limited dealer allocations and reports of huge dealer markups. Still, I'm surprised they even sold that many with the bad economic recession we had. Now that the economy is doing better, I'd say 2-3k produced for the first year is a reasonable goal.
As for introductory pricing, expect to pay over MSRP if you want to be 1st in line. Here are some old stories from 2009:
As we got closer to C7 launch, the C6 ZR1 numbers dropped off. It was at this point that dealers were motivated to sell remaining inventory and large discounts could be had.
not certain if your handle is intended to convey a message, but do you realize that the "ethanol" word in it is misspelled?
Made the account years ago to post a youtube video. Seen the mistake when it was too late to change. Didn't think I would keep this profile this long. Figured I would delete it after a while. Turns out once you have a vette you decide to keep it around and keep the profile for tech questions. You're not the only one to notice. Like I told the last person, If I had a cookie emoji from the list to give out, you would get one. Since they don't you will have to suffer.
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Porsche's sales model is to produce one less car than what the demand is. Because of this, if you're not on a dealer's A list who is itself on Porsche's A list of dealer to even get an allocation, your chance of actually getting one of those GT cars brand new is small, and thus you can only go pick up a used one, and because everyone knows this, the used market fetch more than MSRP.
Didn't realize that the ZR1 from the C6 cost so much more than the Z06. My guess is that the difference will not be that great this time around, unless GM wants to keep the sales numbers down to a similar run that the C6Zr1 had. Either way, if they make it a reasonable value given what it is, it will sell. If it is overpriced by $15-20k than only a few will go out the door. We shall see.
Mine was $106,000 MSRP and was pretty much fully optioned. I can see $120,000 maybe $125,000 fully optioned. If more than I will leave it for others and wait for the ME. Not that my 5700 mile 2016 needs replacing anytime soon.
Pricing predictions thus far appear to be predicated on either delta from C6 ZR1 or C7 Z06 base prices.
GM left a lot of people scratching their heads when the C7 Z06 was supercharged, 650HP and starting at $79k. The C7 Z06 likely should have stayed a big block NA with slightly less HP to keep product line distinctions clear. As it stands, a lot of people will say a base C7 Z06 is just as good or better than a $127K C6 ZR1 3ZR with performance package because the base Z06 has 12 more HP. There was more that went in to the ZR1 though than just a simple blower bolt on and power isn't everything. Many others would agree that the C6 ZR1 is still the better car with more attention to detail.
A few corners had to be cut in order to offer a base C7 Z06 at 2/3 the starting price of a ZR1. You can get a Z06 without the expensive carbon ceramics or carbon fiber roof whereas they are standard on the ZR1. Also, while the LS9 is hand assembled and includes forged titanium valves and forged titanium connecting rods. The LT4 is assembled by machines and has forged titanium intake valves, but forged steel connecting rods. A fully optioned Z06 with carbon ceramics and aero and carbon fiber roof etc gets in to the 6 figure range.
The reason my guess is predicated on C6 ZR1 pricing is that I'm inclined to think the C7 ZR1 won't cut any corners to save on entry price. The Chevrolet website says the LT5 is hand assembled like the LS9. I'd also bet it has forged titanium connecting rods like the C6 ZR1 and other various improvements for robustness. The C7 ZR1 engine cover is book matched carbon-fiber. The exposed carbon fiber roof on the C6 ZR1 used a special clear that cost $60,000 per gallon (~$2k worth used on one car). GM will likely use this on the C7 ZR1 shaker as well.
The devil is in the details. I'm sure there will be a lot of little tweaks and improvements made on the C7 ZR1 beyond what we know now that make the car special and also better able to hold up to many laps on the track without overheating. This justifies the higher starting price to those with the means to buy. Still, those who buy the new ZR1 should be prepared to for an onslaught of comments from C7 Z06 owners proclaiming that the new ZR1 is the same exact car as the Z06, just with a bigger blower and a big spoiler. This is basically what happened to C6 ZR1 owners when people said it was just a grand sport / LS3 with a blower bolt on. Haters gonna hate.
I had a 10 ZR1 $121k sticker paid $101k (5mi on the clock). It had been there nearly a yr. They had many 2011's and they just would not sale. If the price is too high they are going to sit.
Pricing predictions thus far appear to be predicated on either delta from C6 ZR1 or C7 Z06 base prices.
GM left a lot of people scratching their heads when the C7 Z06 was supercharged, 650HP and starting at $79k. The C7 Z06 likely should have stayed a big block NA with slightly less HP to keep product line distinctions clear. As it stands, a lot of people will say a base C7 Z06 is just as good or better than a $127K C6 ZR1 3ZR with performance package because the base Z06 has 12 more HP. There was more that went in to the ZR1 though than just a simple blower bolt on and power isn't everything. Many others would agree that the C6 ZR1 is still the better car with more attention to detail.
A few corners had to be cut in order to offer a base C7 Z06 at 2/3 the starting price of a ZR1. For starters, you can get a Z06 without the expensive carbon ceramics or carbon fiber roof whereas they are standard on the ZR1. Also, while the LS9 is hand assembled and includes forged titanium valves and forged titanium connecting rods. The LT4 is assembled by machines and has forged titanium intake valves, but forged steel connecting rods. Also fully optioned Z06 with carbon ceramics and aero and carbon fiber roof etc gets in to the 6 figure range.
The reason my guess is predicated on C6 ZR1 pricing is that I'm inclined to think the C7 ZR1 won't cut any corners to save on entry price. The Chevrolet website says the LT5 is hand assembled like the LS9. I'd also bet it has forged titanium connecting rods like the C6 ZR1 and other various improvements for robustness. The C7 ZR1 engine cover is book matched carbon-fiber. The exposed carbon fiber roof on the C6 ZR1 used a special clear that cost $60,000 per gallon (~$2k worth used on one car). GM will likely use this on the C7 ZR1 shaker as well.
The devil is in the details. I'm sure there will be a lot of little tweaks and improvements made on the C7 ZR1 beyond what we know now that make the car special and also better able to hold up to many laps on the track without overheating. This justifies the higher starting price to those with the means to buy. Still, those who buy the new ZR1 should be prepared to for an onslaught of comments from C7 Z06 owners proclaiming that the new ZR1 is the same exact car as the Z06, just with a bigger blower and a big spoiler. This is basically what happened to C6 ZR1 owners when people said it was just a grand sport / LS3 with a blower bolt on. Haters gonna hate.
you can get a hand built C7Z06. They do both hand built and machine. Also the cost of CF has come way down since then. I believe there was a lot less R&D to do on this ZR1 as opposed to the previous gen, which I believe will lead to less overhead and cost. We should know the truth in about the next week.
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