When Titans Collide: The GT2 RS vs the 2019 ZR1
01-09-2018, 11:51 AM
#321
Le Mans Master
3,241lbs with a full tank of gas from road and track article.
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01-09-2018, 11:57 AM
#322
The ZR1 will make up some time with its sheer mechanical grip. The Corvette has a little advantage there along with its massive tq, provided it can actually it down.
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01-09-2018, 11:58 AM
#323
Yeah I feel like such a loser driving a lowly Z06 around, especially every time I pass a Porsche...I just wish to god that someday I could have one of those 
Honestly man, I hope you don't go through life like that...Drive what YOU like, not what people think you 'should' like.
By your metric Rick Hendrick must feel like the worlds biggest loser...
Honestly man, I hope you don't go through life like that...Drive what YOU like, not what people think you 'should' like.
By your metric Rick Hendrick must feel like the worlds biggest loser...
'Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder'. You can't measure things back and forth like that. To say the ZR1 is better than any car you compare it is impossible. So if 100 people like the Vette but 100,000 like a Toyota who is right?
01-09-2018, 11:59 AM
#324
Le Mans Master
No that's not what I said. Some people FEEL cooler in a Porsche. I'm saying it's mostly how you feel when you have a car. Some people love low riders and find Corvettes boring. Everyone here (mostly) is trying to measure value over and over again.
'Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder'. You can't measure things back and forth like that. To say the ZR1 is better than any car you compare it is impossible. So if 100 people like the Vette but 100,000 like a Toyota who is right?
'Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder'. You can't measure things back and forth like that. To say the ZR1 is better than any car you compare it is impossible. So if 100 people like the Vette but 100,000 like a Toyota who is right?
01-09-2018, 12:14 PM
#326
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01-09-2018, 12:19 PM
#327
Team Owner
I don't think too many people are expecting the ZR1 to beat the GT2RS time...but anything within sniffing distance is a HUGE win for Corvette. When you factor in not only the cost, but the overall WELL-ROUNDED nature of the car compared to the GT2RS, then it would be HUGELY impressive to come withing 5-10 seconds of it. I also think it'll beat the GT2RS on certain tracks...I'm thinking MRLS etc. Which would be a total embarrassment for the GT2RS and it's Weissach package. But is it? NO. Because the people buying the GT2RS don't really care, they are likely happy with and enjoying their GT2RS, just like ZR1 owners will. 
Side Note: the ZR1 can actually be driven as a DD and has enough space to put 'real' luggage in it. It doesn't have an A/C delete, radio delete and whatever else you can delete for $31,000. Lol. Yet it'll hang with anything out there on the road = Impressive. Porsche needed a purpose built race car just to compete. (sarcasm, but truth in it)
Not sure what your hang-up is with this truly impressive vehicle. I've owned Porsche's, Ferrari's, BMW's, Audi's etc...and now also own a Z06. I didn't buy it for the cost savings, I bought it AFTER I went to the other dealerships and found the Z06 to be the most fun car I'd ever driven on the street...the '84 Ruf is a close 2nd. So, please stop with all the "rich people who are 'in the know' buy Porsche's" because they are somehow better at choosing cars. I spent $330k on a 612 Scaglietti back in 2009. It's a nice car. But it'll put you to sleep compared to a Z06. Where was my money better spent? Answer: Who cares! Both cars are worth a lot less than I paid for them, but, it's my money and I can spend it however I want. In your eyes, even on 'inferior' products such as a lowly Corvette.
Life is short, drive what you enjoy. All cars are cool in their own way.
Side Note: the ZR1 can actually be driven as a DD and has enough space to put 'real' luggage in it. It doesn't have an A/C delete, radio delete and whatever else you can delete for $31,000. Lol. Yet it'll hang with anything out there on the road = Impressive. Porsche needed a purpose built race car just to compete. (sarcasm, but truth in it)
Not sure what your hang-up is with this truly impressive vehicle. I've owned Porsche's, Ferrari's, BMW's, Audi's etc...and now also own a Z06. I didn't buy it for the cost savings, I bought it AFTER I went to the other dealerships and found the Z06 to be the most fun car I'd ever driven on the street...the '84 Ruf is a close 2nd. So, please stop with all the "rich people who are 'in the know' buy Porsche's" because they are somehow better at choosing cars. I spent $330k on a 612 Scaglietti back in 2009. It's a nice car. But it'll put you to sleep compared to a Z06. Where was my money better spent? Answer: Who cares! Both cars are worth a lot less than I paid for them, but, it's my money and I can spend it however I want. In your eyes, even on 'inferior' products such as a lowly Corvette.
Life is short, drive what you enjoy. All cars are cool in their own way.
People who can't admit the obvious no matter how engaging the facts are just aren't right in the head. They want to see what they want, you tell them the sky is blue and they'll say it's green. Tell them the world is round they'll arguing until their last breath that it's flat. I guess that's how some people are and yes, they walk among us.
I would be happy as pigs in schit if the ZR1 could break the 7 minute mark which I'm sure it will and when it does I will be very proud of the Corvette team (not that I'm not already) but being a realist, 6:47 is a blistering time, I've driven a few laps on the Nurburgring back in 2010 in a race prepped Sciracco, getting 8's wasn't easy so I can say with FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE (which most people in here can't), high 6's is an achievement and a half and it shows how good the car and driver are.
Long live the C7 and all it's variants, the best Corvette to come out of Bowling Green period.
01-09-2018, 12:44 PM
#328
01-09-2018, 12:45 PM
#329
Burning Brakes
No that's not what I said. Some people FEEL cooler in a Porsche. I'm saying it's mostly how you feel when you have a car. Some people love low riders and find Corvettes boring. Everyone here (mostly) is trying to measure value over and over again.
'Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder'. You can't measure things back and forth like that. To say the ZR1 is better than any car you compare it is impossible. So if 100 people like the Vette but 100,000 like a Toyota who is right?
'Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder'. You can't measure things back and forth like that. To say the ZR1 is better than any car you compare it is impossible. So if 100 people like the Vette but 100,000 like a Toyota who is right?
01-09-2018, 12:51 PM
#330
I'm not putting down the ZR1 in the least, great car and for the money it can't be beat but unfortunately some of the people in here seem to think it's the be all and end all of track cars to which my reply is "no, it's not", so quit drinking from the kool aid trough, admit it and move on.
01-09-2018, 12:52 PM
#331
Burning Brakes
I'm not putting down the ZR1 in the least, great car and for the money it can't be beat but unfortunately some of the people in here seem to think it's the be all and end all of track cars to which my reply is "no, it's not", so quit drinking from the kool aid trough, admit it and move on.
People who can't admit the obvious no matter how engaging the facts are just aren't right in the head. They want to see what they want, you tell them the sky is blue and they'll say it's green. Tell them the world is round they'll arguing until their last breath that it's flat. I guess that's how some people are and yes, they walk among us.
I would be happy as pigs in schit if the ZR1 could break the 7 minute mark which I'm sure it will and when it does I will be very proud of the Corvette team (not that I'm not already) but being a realist, 6:47 is a blistering time, I've driven a few laps on the Nurburgring back in 2010 in a race prepped Sciracco, getting 8's wasn't easy so I can say with FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE (which most people in here can't), high 6's is an achievement and a half and it shows how good the car and driver are.
Long live the C7 and all it's variants, the best Corvette to come out of Bowling Green period.
People who can't admit the obvious no matter how engaging the facts are just aren't right in the head. They want to see what they want, you tell them the sky is blue and they'll say it's green. Tell them the world is round they'll arguing until their last breath that it's flat. I guess that's how some people are and yes, they walk among us.
I would be happy as pigs in schit if the ZR1 could break the 7 minute mark which I'm sure it will and when it does I will be very proud of the Corvette team (not that I'm not already) but being a realist, 6:47 is a blistering time, I've driven a few laps on the Nurburgring back in 2010 in a race prepped Sciracco, getting 8's wasn't easy so I can say with FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE (which most people in here can't), high 6's is an achievement and a half and it shows how good the car and driver are.
Long live the C7 and all it's variants, the best Corvette to come out of Bowling Green period.
As for the 'be all, end all' comment. Honestly, IF (it's a BIG IF), it's 2nd ONLY to the GT2RS, then YES, it will be the 'be all, end all track car' particularly considering how well rounded it is. There is NO other car on the market that even comes close to delivering the balanced performance of the ZR1. Daily driver with actual space and a track day king. So people are not crazy for making such comments/comparisons. Obviously, this assumes it runs a sub 7 min Ring time.
How is that drinking the cool aid? It's one of one in the 'well-rounded, DD, track rat category.'
01-09-2018, 01:01 PM
#332
Melting Slicks
Originally Posted by Dave Schotz
It is not a different company... geeze... reading this stuff is hilarious. Weissach, could be considered '1LE' or 'ZO7'... weissach is Porsche giveing recognition to one of their original factories... it is 100% a Porsche in house built car/package.
The GT2RS will beat the ZR1 handidly around the Nurburgring... no doubt about it. And for $300K it should.
The ZR1 will beat MANY cars TWICE it's price range, which is what Corvette has been good at! It's still a compromise with a Supercharger... but not one I wouldn't seriously consider in the future.
I for one am glad to see Corvette (finally) going Twin Turbo for the mid.
Best Regards,
Dave
The GT2RS will beat the ZR1 handidly around the Nurburgring... no doubt about it. And for $300K it should.
The ZR1 will beat MANY cars TWICE it's price range, which is what Corvette has been good at! It's still a compromise with a Supercharger... but not one I wouldn't seriously consider in the future.
I for one am glad to see Corvette (finally) going Twin Turbo for the mid.
Best Regards,
Dave
Yes I like big wings because they work.
I really like both brands and love the rivalry between the two without it racing would not be as fun for me.
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01-09-2018, 01:15 PM
#333
The Z06 is 3524 lbs.; I estimate the weight of the ZR1 at 3600 (extra radiators, etc.).
Using a bit of math (3600-3350) puts the difference between the 2 cars at approx. 250lbs.
IMO and FWIW, I would give the ZR1 a decent chance of being quicker at the Ring.
Naturally, YMMV.
Using a bit of math (3600-3350) puts the difference between the 2 cars at approx. 250lbs.
IMO and FWIW, I would give the ZR1 a decent chance of being quicker at the Ring.
Naturally, YMMV.
01-09-2018, 01:16 PM
#334
Le Mans Master
Nope!
Porsche switches up the boost shorter term. Watch the GT2 RS and the 918 do it at the last straight bridge!
The BeastlyVette will be having a lot of interventions!
The BeastlyVette will be having a lot of interventions!
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01-09-2018, 01:23 PM
#335
Le Mans Master
01-09-2018, 03:17 PM
#337
I watch those Nürburgring time video's on all types of cars present/past. I believe the ZR1 will hold it's own on the curves..ZR1's aero system is second to none. I bet that wing is their secret weapon on the last strait on the Nürburgring. The ZR1's design front to back is made for top speed. Go USA! Still, I want a GT3 because I do.
01-09-2018, 04:36 PM
#338
Le Mans Master
Tadge said it can do 200+ with the big wing!
I watch those Nürburgring time video's on all types of cars present/past. I believe the ZR1 will hold it's own on the curves..ZR1's aero system is second to none. I bet that wing is their secret weapon on the last strait on the Nürburgring. The ZR1's design front to back is made for top speed. Go USA! Still, I want a GT3 because I do.
There should be that fast 190 MPH!
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 01-09-2018 at 04:40 PM.
01-09-2018, 08:36 PM
#339
I watch those Nürburgring time video's on all types of cars present/past. I believe the ZR1 will hold it's own on the curves..ZR1's aero system is second to none. I bet that wing is their secret weapon on the last strait on the Nürburgring. The ZR1's design front to back is made for top speed. Go USA! Still, I want a GT3 because I do.
IMO (again), this is just what the LT5 really needs to shine in the corners.
After owning my car for awhile now and having some real fun on the rural backroads here in Oregon, I have come to the conclusion the LT4 in the Z06 could also benefit a great deal from a big rear wing and its downforce.
The 650hp/lbs. can overpower the excellent chassis and tires pretty quickly.
I would LOVE to have the kind of grip the C7R enjoys.
And speaking of the C7R....
For the those who are unfamiliar with the car, the IMSA race series in which GM's factory Corvette Racing Team competes, limits the HP of the GTLM class (the class the team competes in) to 500hp.
Per class rules, the C7R weighs a little over 2600lbs.
It has a 5.5L NA pushrod engine.
AFAIK, it is the only car of its class that actually is an NA.
And DON'T forget to program your DVRs for the 24 Hours of Daytona on the 27th & 28th on the Fox TV channels.
https://www.imsa.com/
A couple of years ago at Daytona, Team Yellow blessed us with the greatest finish in the history of endurance racing:
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01-09-2018, 08:45 PM
#340
I think I read recently the big rear wing will generate around 1,000 lbs. downforce on the back of the car.
IMO (again), this is just what the LT5 really needs to shine in the corners.
After owning my car for awhile now and having some real fun on the rural backroads here in Oregon, I have come to the conclusion the LT4 in the Z06 could also benefit a great deal from a big rear wing and its downforce.
The 650hp/lbs. can overpower the excellent chassis and tires pretty quickly.
I would LOVE to have the kind of grip the C7R enjoys.
And speaking of the C7R....
For the those who are unfamiliar with the car, the IMSA race series in which GM's factory Corvette Racing Team competes, limits the HP of the GTLM class (the class the team competes in) to 500hp.
Per class rules, the C7R weighs a little over 2600lbs.
It has a 5.5L NA pushrod engine.
AFAIK, it is the only car of its class that actually is an NA.
And DON'T forget to program your DVRs for the 24 Hours of Daytona on the 27th & 28th on the Fox TV channels.
https://www.imsa.com/
A couple of years ago at Daytona, Team Yellow blessed us with the greatest finish in the history of endurance racing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE5cA2YTius&t=25s
IMO (again), this is just what the LT5 really needs to shine in the corners.
After owning my car for awhile now and having some real fun on the rural backroads here in Oregon, I have come to the conclusion the LT4 in the Z06 could also benefit a great deal from a big rear wing and its downforce.
The 650hp/lbs. can overpower the excellent chassis and tires pretty quickly.
I would LOVE to have the kind of grip the C7R enjoys.
And speaking of the C7R....
For the those who are unfamiliar with the car, the IMSA race series in which GM's factory Corvette Racing Team competes, limits the HP of the GTLM class (the class the team competes in) to 500hp.
Per class rules, the C7R weighs a little over 2600lbs.
It has a 5.5L NA pushrod engine.
AFAIK, it is the only car of its class that actually is an NA.
And DON'T forget to program your DVRs for the 24 Hours of Daytona on the 27th & 28th on the Fox TV channels.
https://www.imsa.com/
A couple of years ago at Daytona, Team Yellow blessed us with the greatest finish in the history of endurance racing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE5cA2YTius&t=25s
That's the ticket with USA smarts! It's hard to get any time on the curves. That wing (if it's true) will kill them! GM knows for many years what those wings can do from racing. The combo of aero knowledge GM will show the world who wears the shoes on this planet!