Will 2019 ZR1 beat the 2019 NA GT3 RS at the 'Ring?
04-23-2018, 05:24 PM
#61
I only run about 525 rwhp in my C6, now I do also have 4.11s. BUT, I also have up to temp 345 width R888rs.
Where am I going with this? I have to be very gentle on the throttle exiting turns where I'm using a large amount of my traction circle for turning. I can imagine that you could apply heavy throttle much sooner in a rear engine 911. That's all. Over the course of the Nurburgring, that should result in some faster times.
Where am I going with this? I have to be very gentle on the throttle exiting turns where I'm using a large amount of my traction circle for turning. I can imagine that you could apply heavy throttle much sooner in a rear engine 911. That's all. Over the course of the Nurburgring, that should result in some faster times.
I appreciate the explanation and yes, with my (amateur) experience at the Nurb. I can definitively corroborate a modded C6 without PTM and eDiff it's tricky...and yet I can assure you that comparatively (that is in a race or time lap) whatever fractional-second advantage my GT3 competitor may have had on WOT commence it was of no consequence/advantage on more than 50%-70% of Nurb. curves because we are both at launched speed and that torque delta shows in spades at each exit+mid. and for all the fractional/residual spinning I am doing I was still taking off on the GT3s...no question.
So now let's think 2019 ZR1 PTM..some folks say oh! too much power and torque... and I say maybe but better than 300-320 RWTQ!?..you bet! I know it is hard to imagine..and we are talking curves but picture yourself doing repeated 1/4 miles runs starting at apex from let's say 60-100 and he starts a 1/10 - 1/25 quarter of a second before you do.. now repeat at least 50 times.. 660/640 vs 460/330....
I wish Poor-sha could pitch in with some telemetry...
04-23-2018, 05:31 PM
#62
I just saw a new GT3 RS for sale at Melbourne Porsche for $229,999.
04-23-2018, 07:23 PM
#63
Le Mans Master
Bottom Line! ;)
If the ZR1 doesn't post a time it means miraculously it was dispatched by the little GT3 RS!
The ZR1's time was stolen, and we would never know!
Math and Experts too!
The ZR1's time was stolen, and we would never know!
Math and Experts too!
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 04-23-2018 at 07:26 PM.
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Rodbuster56 (04-24-2018)
04-24-2018, 01:12 AM
#64
04-24-2018, 10:19 AM
#67
This argument is pretty pointless considering:
- Most likely none of us will ever get a gt3rs unless its in lego
- Even with 50-75k markup people are having very tough time getting an allocation. Porsche has this “is he/she a gt family member” nonsense which means unless you currently own a GT car and want to trade it, even with a 250-300k price tag, this car is a dream
- Above points dont even mention the 28k limited run extremely hard to order WS package that you cant just order like you do a ZTK package.
- Most likely none of us will ever get a gt3rs unless its in lego
- Even with 50-75k markup people are having very tough time getting an allocation. Porsche has this “is he/she a gt family member” nonsense which means unless you currently own a GT car and want to trade it, even with a 250-300k price tag, this car is a dream
- Above points dont even mention the 28k limited run extremely hard to order WS package that you cant just order like you do a ZTK package.
04-24-2018, 11:01 AM
#68
This argument is pretty pointless considering:
- Most likely none of us will ever get a gt3rs unless its in lego
- Even with 50-75k markup people are having very tough time getting an allocation. Porsche has this “is he/she a gt family member” nonsense which means unless you currently own a GT car and want to trade it, even with a 250-300k price tag, this car is a dream
- Above points dont even mention the 28k limited run extremely hard to order WS package that you cant just order like you do a ZTK package.
- Most likely none of us will ever get a gt3rs unless its in lego
- Even with 50-75k markup people are having very tough time getting an allocation. Porsche has this “is he/she a gt family member” nonsense which means unless you currently own a GT car and want to trade it, even with a 250-300k price tag, this car is a dream
- Above points dont even mention the 28k limited run extremely hard to order WS package that you cant just order like you do a ZTK package.
- you would be surprised at the amount of folks lurching in the CF that can afford a GT3RS but opt not to bite.
- anybody can buy a GT3RS at the right price. RS cars are extremely low volume "marketing" cars and the price pump is due to Porsche's realization these cars were mostly bought by "car flippers" in the first place and they are trying to cut the middle man...
- 28K limited run??? on a good year GT2RS sells 20/40 cars and GT3RS 100 cars... again think "marketing" cars...
So yes harder to obtain but I think OP's question is still legit...it is a competitor after all...
My2C
Last edited by Telepierre; 04-24-2018 at 11:05 AM.
04-25-2018, 07:25 AM
#69
Melting Slicks
Just read this on Bridge to Gantry's Dale Lomas Twitter feed.
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Hey #corvettezr1 lovers... the white laptime car just had 1 lap of the #Nürburgring to itself for a fast lap. Hopefully this one will be faster than Monday? Conditions are quite warm!
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Hey #corvettezr1 lovers... the white laptime car just had 1 lap of the #Nürburgring to itself for a fast lap. Hopefully this one will be faster than Monday? Conditions are quite warm!
04-25-2018, 07:51 AM
#70
Safety Car
Local comparison times will tell you more than that ring time. Lightning lap and laguna laps with same driver same day comparisons. As much as I like and respect Mero, he can't drive like Estre drove that RS. That was nuts. Never seen commitment like that at the ring except maybe when Nissan had several cars there with different drivers in qualifying format.
04-25-2018, 08:06 AM
#71
Le Mans Master
That's what Gavin was for! ;)
But the ZR1 is a bit heavy for those kinds of gymnastics on the Nurburgring.
Our tracks are faster because the cups are better with our asphalt and curbs.
Our tracks are faster because the cups are better with our asphalt and curbs.
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 04-25-2018 at 08:11 AM.
04-25-2018, 09:49 AM
#72
That 7:12 was done to not upset the locals and give all the German stop-watchers some hope..
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keagan (04-26-2018)
04-25-2018, 09:57 AM
#73
Le Mans Master
I'd like to offer a counterargument:
- you would be surprised at the amount of folks lurching in the CF that can afford a GT3RS but opt not to bite.
- anybody can buy a GT3RS at the right price. RS cars are extremely low volume "marketing" cars and the price pump is due to Porsche's realization these cars were mostly bought by "car flippers" in the first place and they are trying to cut the middle man...
- 28K limited run??? on a good year GT2RS sells 20/40 cars and GT3RS 100 cars... again think "marketing" cars...
So yes harder to obtain but I think OP's question is still legit...it is a competitor after all...
My2C
- you would be surprised at the amount of folks lurching in the CF that can afford a GT3RS but opt not to bite.
- anybody can buy a GT3RS at the right price. RS cars are extremely low volume "marketing" cars and the price pump is due to Porsche's realization these cars were mostly bought by "car flippers" in the first place and they are trying to cut the middle man...
- 28K limited run??? on a good year GT2RS sells 20/40 cars and GT3RS 100 cars... again think "marketing" cars...
So yes harder to obtain but I think OP's question is still legit...it is a competitor after all...
My2C
The dealership might not make more money selling more volume, but the factory could sell way more units at the same cost to the dealers and ultimately improve their economies of scale.
In time I'll have the wealth to comfortably purchase a car like that, but wouldn't.
I don't like the pricing structure for one but once a car becomes too expensive to track and too expensive to run my errands in, it's just not what I'm looking for anymore. I mean your friends are going to the 1/4 mile track or the COTA is having an open track day and it sounds fun to do a run or two. But something happens and your out a 1/4 million dollars as insurance doesn't cover track usage at all. I know a guy that lost a $100K Camaro like that. Or you want to take your car to work one day and the wife needs you to stop and buy a gallon of milk and your scared to leave the car outside.
Back to Vettes, that's the area I live in!
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Telepierre (04-25-2018)
04-25-2018, 10:43 AM
#74
Le Mans Master
Skank! Good thing your not here and French! ;)
Full respect for Porsche for creating so much aura around their RS cars. They could cut out the middle man easily, just produce as many cars as the public wants to buy at MSRP. Anyone can order one just as they want at MSRP.
The dealership might not make more money selling more volume, but the factory could sell way more units at the same cost to the dealers and ultimately improve their economies of scale.
In time I'll have the wealth to comfortably purchase a car like that, but wouldn't.
I don't like the pricing structure for one but once a car becomes too expensive to track and too expensive to run my errands in, it's just not what I'm looking for anymore. I mean your friends are going to the 1/4 mile track or the COTA is having an open track day and it sounds fun to do a run or two. But something happens and your out a 1/4 million dollars as insurance doesn't cover track usage at all. I know a guy that lost a $100K Camaro like that. Or you want to take your car to work one day and the wife needs you to stop and buy a gallon of milk and your scared to leave the car outside.
Back to Vettes, that's the area I live in!
The dealership might not make more money selling more volume, but the factory could sell way more units at the same cost to the dealers and ultimately improve their economies of scale.
In time I'll have the wealth to comfortably purchase a car like that, but wouldn't.
I don't like the pricing structure for one but once a car becomes too expensive to track and too expensive to run my errands in, it's just not what I'm looking for anymore. I mean your friends are going to the 1/4 mile track or the COTA is having an open track day and it sounds fun to do a run or two. But something happens and your out a 1/4 million dollars as insurance doesn't cover track usage at all. I know a guy that lost a $100K Camaro like that. Or you want to take your car to work one day and the wife needs you to stop and buy a gallon of milk and your scared to leave the car outside.
Back to Vettes, that's the area I live in!
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 04-25-2018 at 10:45 AM.
04-26-2018, 06:20 AM
#75
According to this article GM volunteered their track time to help Porsche https://www.carthrottle.com/post/che...3-rs-ring-lap/
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keagan (04-26-2018)
04-26-2018, 06:24 AM
#76
Le Mans Master
See Skank's update! ;)
According to this article GM volunteered their track time to help Porsche https://www.carthrottle.com/post/che...3-rs-ring-lap/
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 04-26-2018 at 06:24 AM.
04-26-2018, 06:53 AM
#77
Melting Slicks
According to this article GM volunteered their track time to help Porsche https://www.carthrottle.com/post/che...3-rs-ring-lap/
Last edited by Ted P; 04-26-2018 at 06:53 AM.
04-26-2018, 11:11 AM
#80
While that’s nice of Team Corvette to give their competition time, deep down I can’t help but think this is all bait. Why didn’t they release a time when they broke the VIR record a week before the FGT broke it? It’s like they are waiting to drop a bomb. Like yeah you go ahead and take an hour of our rental time, no biggie, we got this one in the bag kinda thing. I will never believe the ZR1 did 7:12. Has any of the more recent sports, super cars been attempting a record run at Laguna after the ACR? It’s kinda quiet over there.