What's Taking GM So Long For a Ring Time?
05-05-2018, 08:19 AM
#101
Not one of your comments had a single thing to do with anything regarding my comments. I directly asked you to name ONE track and you didn't.. Your lame *** comment bringing diesel emissions has zero to do with Porsche's times on the track.
Then you bring up babble about "legal cheating". HUH?
WTF do sales numbers have ANYTHING to do with track times?
Your post is so abstract, then I look at the posting time, 2:30 in the morning. That figures, an alcohol influenced post by a self anointed superior intellectual online.
Then you bring up babble about "legal cheating". HUH?
WTF do sales numbers have ANYTHING to do with track times?
Your post is so abstract, then I look at the posting time, 2:30 in the morning. That figures, an alcohol influenced post by a self anointed superior intellectual online.
05-05-2018, 08:35 AM
#102
Le Mans Master
Done! ;)
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05-05-2018, 09:26 AM
#103
this is what they call a **** show. You dont go all the way there if you cant organize for any of those reasons outlined in that article (cost etc).
you can sit here and say what you want in fact trump can hold a press conference and say ring times doesnt matter we care about american tracks. But it will never change the fact that what happened there with them giving their time to porsche and porsche literally coming and running 4 laps and being done under 30 minutes was a big embarrassment to the fans and general motors.
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05-05-2018, 09:59 AM
#105
Instructor
They car arrived there about a month ago. Why haven't we gotten a ring time yet? Porsche was there for about 40 minutes, lapped the track 4 times and were done. Got there GT3 RS ring time, and released a video.
GM was there for several weeks. Are they still there? If not, what is taking so long? Even if they didn't get sub 7, its silly not to release their best time... After all, right now everyone seems to think they got a 7:12. Surely they'd like to dispel that rumour...
GM was there for several weeks. Are they still there? If not, what is taking so long? Even if they didn't get sub 7, its silly not to release their best time... After all, right now everyone seems to think they got a 7:12. Surely they'd like to dispel that rumour...
05-05-2018, 10:31 AM
#107
Melting Slicks
Lots of butt hurt going on here. The same happened when the Z06 time was not released.
I will also like to add if you enjoy the car (any car, any brand) then that’s all it matters. Lap times, drag times, are all uses less when you truly enjoy what you drive.
I will also like to add if you enjoy the car (any car, any brand) then that’s all it matters. Lap times, drag times, are all uses less when you truly enjoy what you drive.
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05-05-2018, 11:10 AM
#108
Melting Slicks
Porsche had these, version N2. I suspect they might have helped. The Sport Cup 2 we run are a 4 year old design now.
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05-05-2018, 11:27 AM
#109
That's some C-6 quality paint right there. Hmmmm.
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05-05-2018, 11:27 AM
#110
Team Owner
Wait for it..... waaaaait for it.... someone might actually be understanding this...
The "learning from Porsche" thing isn't true, but the underlined part of your sentence is spot on.
It's not a competition for them. Not in the least. No matter how many times I point that out to people, it just continues to get ignored. Would GM like to turn a hot time and use it in promo material? Sure. Would Jim like to have yet another hot N'Ring time under his professional belt? Absolutely! But it's NOT the reason they're there. They just do it if they have time and a clean track.
Full stop.
The "learning from Porsche" thing isn't true, but the underlined part of your sentence is spot on.
It's not a competition for them. Not in the least. No matter how many times I point that out to people, it just continues to get ignored. Would GM like to turn a hot time and use it in promo material? Sure. Would Jim like to have yet another hot N'Ring time under his professional belt? Absolutely! But it's NOT the reason they're there. They just do it if they have time and a clean track.
Full stop.
05-05-2018, 11:29 AM
#111
Team Owner
05-05-2018, 02:32 PM
#113
Le Mans Master
Exactly WGAF anyway, its not like your bringin your ZR1 to Germany. Lets face it, there times dont cut it and they sure arent going to release a 7:12
05-05-2018, 02:48 PM
#114
Melting Slicks
So embarrassing. Reposted to help this sink in. This car is only $188,000 starting, its not some $1M hypercar. The weissach package isnt dropping 15+ secs off the regular gt3rs either. This matters.
"Thanks to the Corvette team sharing their valuable track time, over the course of one hour on April 16, 2018, the Porsche team (five engineers, five mechanics, and two drivers) witnessed the tumble of lap times for their remastered 514-horsepower GT3 RS. They could have quit at 6:59.3, but they pressed on for a 6:57.5, 6:57.7, and finally a
lap. The GT3 RS had slayed not only Porsche’s own million-dollar dragon but also the more powerful Lamborghini Aventador SV, Viper ACR, Nissan GT-RNISMO, and AMG GT R, et cetera, et cetera. Its lap now claims the spot as third-quickest production car."
"Thanks to the Corvette team sharing their valuable track time, over the course of one hour on April 16, 2018, the Porsche team (five engineers, five mechanics, and two drivers) witnessed the tumble of lap times for their remastered 514-horsepower GT3 RS. They could have quit at 6:59.3, but they pressed on for a 6:57.5, 6:57.7, and finally a
05-05-2018, 03:51 PM
#115
Melting Slicks
If the ZR1 had nailed the sub-6 Ring time many including GM would be saying Ring times are the singular example of a sports car’s measure and worth. It appears that the Ring time was less than so now many speculate that the Ring doesn’t matter, GM was refining a car that’s already in production and selling. No need to name call on any side here. GM’s actions and lack of communication are at best puzzling. I suggest if they/GM plan on using the Ring as a benchmark, they/GM get better at driving it.
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05-05-2018, 06:44 PM
#116
We all know the story of GM and their promotion of the Z06 with the 'Ring ... to sit back and now claim it means nothing now is ridiculous.
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05-05-2018, 07:19 PM
#117
Le Mans Master
The curbs!
Bonus Tip: Watch Out for the Crazy High Curbs
The curbs’ heights — some nearly a foot high — on the ‘Ring shock many first-timers, myself included. Hit one and you upset the car’s balance, which can easily cause a crash (see Tip 2). My instructors told me that there are only four curbs among the track’s 73 corners that they will drive over. The other 69 can easily cause serious damage to a vehicle.
So now you know before you go. And if you’re lucky enough to drive a fast car just remember, be safe and have fun!
https://www.tflcar.com/2017/05/top-5...urgring-top-5/
The curbs’ heights — some nearly a foot high — on the ‘Ring shock many first-timers, myself included. Hit one and you upset the car’s balance, which can easily cause a crash (see Tip 2). My instructors told me that there are only four curbs among the track’s 73 corners that they will drive over. The other 69 can easily cause serious damage to a vehicle.
So now you know before you go. And if you’re lucky enough to drive a fast car just remember, be safe and have fun!
https://www.tflcar.com/2017/05/top-5...urgring-top-5/
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05-05-2018, 07:32 PM
#118
Race Director
Simple they got a shitty time so they say they were there for testing and data. If they got a great time they would be waiving that time in everyone's face like a guy waiving dollars at a strip joint. It's not faster then the competition. Funny they can get a Camaro time. That's the truth no need to make excuses for GM.
I don't track but I sure as heck want to know if all this hype GM been spewing about ZR-1 performance is fact or all a big disappointment. And the world benchmark is 7 minutes or less on the Nurburgring, not 3 mInutes or less at VIR.
Hey GM, If you want to run with the big dogs, put up or shut up and stop making bitch-*** excuses.
05-05-2018, 08:03 PM
#119
Drifting
IMO if GM is going to use the 'Ring for testing, then that's fine, and they may not be expected to post a time up. However, when they use the 'Ring for advertising, then it becomes a new ballgame. Lack of a posted time runs counter to their original Z06 advertising. The time itself may be meaningless in light of the excellent times the ZR1 has already posted in the US, but the bad press carrying over from their original advertising is on GM.
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05-05-2018, 08:52 PM
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It's not a competition for them. Not in the least. No matter how many times I point that out to people, it just continues to get ignored. Would GM like to turn a hot time and use it in promo material? Sure. Would Jim like to have yet another hot N'Ring time under his professional belt? Absolutely! But it's NOT the reason they're there. They just do it if they have time and a clean track.
Full stop.
Full stop.
You go to the ring for one reason...marketing and to truly validate...i.e. official time records. Even Honda goes there in Civics and punches out record runs.
I say put up or shut up at this point. Test back at Milford and VIR if you aren't tryin to get in the ring and box for real.
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