C7 ZR1 ZTK vs 720S
07-22-2018, 08:49 PM
#101
Drifting
Yes, that corporation or LLC is domiciled in Montana. But when you reside in say California, and you bring that car permanently into California, you are required to register it in California within 30 days of it entering the state. You're not allowed to drive it forever with Montana plates. You may never get stopped or caught, but that doesn't make it legal.
Everytime I watch a Youtuber from CA they never have tags lol. (Vehicle Virgins and Salomondrin).
07-23-2018, 09:05 AM
#103
Interesting - but I would make the argument that the car does not belong to the "resident". The law is really designed for individuals who don't register their personal cars. And that's because the state is losing the registration fees. And California sure needs more money.
07-23-2018, 09:17 AM
#104
Instructor
Interesting - but I would make the argument that the car does not belong to the "resident". The law is really designed for individuals who don't register their personal cars. And that's because the state is losing the registration fees. And California sure needs more money.
07-23-2018, 09:25 PM
#106
Drifting
Interesting - but I would make the argument that the car does not belong to the "resident". The law is really designed for individuals who don't register their personal cars. And that's because the state is losing the registration fees. And California sure needs more money.
07-25-2018, 11:00 AM
#107
i think its unreasonable comparison... the 720s is pushing into hypercar performance, people keep comparing the 720s's numbers with other supercars and then shame the other supercars for losing, it is quite unfair to the other cars... it's not that the other supercars are not good, the 720s is like in another category with its specs. You have to remember the materials and engineering in this car, it is why it costs way more than the ZR1 and some other supercars, they need to make it better enough to separate it from the 570s which is already one of the quickest supercars. We have to take into account the weight and aero for cars like this, horsepower alone doesn't mean much, mclaren and porsche proves this many times. TBH it is too easy to overhype the 720s because people keep comparing it with entry level supercars when it is a step above that creating a class of its own, the 720s because of its aero and weight, is one of the fastest in straight line acceleration period, it shouldn't surprise anybody... but around the track it might be a different story, that's where the track focused lt version will come in and it will be a crazy track monster, they have to leave room for that beast.
also... people should realize the ZR1 and ACR are track focused cars, meaning they are meant for lap times, the engineers designed them more for the track rather than going fast in a straight line, so stop racing them in a straight line and crying about losing to better cars for that purpose and go to the track to enjoy them more. Don't go talking trash about the vettes or other supercars, we should appreciate all the engineering and magic put into these cars and be thankful you are lucky enough to own one.
also... people should realize the ZR1 and ACR are track focused cars, meaning they are meant for lap times, the engineers designed them more for the track rather than going fast in a straight line, so stop racing them in a straight line and crying about losing to better cars for that purpose and go to the track to enjoy them more. Don't go talking trash about the vettes or other supercars, we should appreciate all the engineering and magic put into these cars and be thankful you are lucky enough to own one.
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07-25-2018, 11:05 AM
#108
i think its unreasonable comparison... the 720s is pushing into hypercar performance, people keep comparing the 720s's numbers with other supercars and then shame the other supercars for losing, it is quite unfair to the other cars... it's not that the other supercars are not good, the 720s is like in another category with its specs. You have to remember the materials and engineering in this car, it is why it costs way more than the ZR1 and some other supercars, they need to make it better enough to separate it from the 570s which is already one of the quickest supercars. We have to take into account the weight and aero for cars like this, horsepower alone doesn't mean much, mclaren and porsche proves this many times. TBH it is too easy to overhype the 720s because people keep comparing it with entry level supercars when it is a step above that creating a class of its own, the 720s because of its aero and weight, is one of the fastest in straight line acceleration period, it shouldn't surprise anybody... but around the track it might be a different story, that's where the track focused lt version will come in and it will be a crazy track monster, they have to leave room for that beast.
07-25-2018, 11:16 AM
#109
Melting Slicks
720s because of its aero and weight, is one of the fastest in straight line acceleration period, it shouldn't surprise anybody... but around the track it might be a different story, that's where the track focused lt version will come in and it will be a crazy track monster, they have to leave room for that beast.
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07-25-2018, 11:29 AM
#110
I have tracked the 720S extensively, and even though this is the "base" non track intended car, it performs impressively, esp on a track like CoTA with long straights. The suspension is fantastic, and it's very forgiving even near the limit. A regular 720S with sticky tires is very formidable on track. Can't imagine what they have in store for the LT version.
07-25-2018, 02:53 PM
#111
Hp 720
I'm not sure what your "Reality check" is in reference to. It's fairly well known that the 720 is severely underrated. Again: they don't subscribe to SAE's engine HP rating. So they're allowed to say whatever the hell they want. And it's clear by the various dyno pulls: they have said it. The engine is within striking distance of 800HP at the flywheel, easily.
I can tell you where the difference is
We measure on our test bench according to the DIN standard
As a rule of thumb to convert from DIN to SAE PS you can use the factor 1.02
All GM vehicles usually have much less power than promised
Here are a few average numbers of what I am doing at the engine
C6 ZR1 = ca 580-600HP it lacks about 40
C7 Z06 7G = about 600-620HP missing about 50
C7 Z06 8A = ca 580-600HP there are about 60 missing
The new C7ZR1 I could not measure, because our car has not come, I'm already sure there will be at least 50 more missing
As comparison
Porsche GT3 450 HP I measure 450
Porsche GT3 500 HP I measure 500
MC Claren 720 = I measure 760
Greetings to the USA
Cölestin
07-25-2018, 04:55 PM
#112
Melting Slicks
JVP
I can tell you where the difference is
We measure on our test bench according to the DIN standard
As a rule of thumb to convert from DIN to SAE PS you can use the factor 1.02
All GM vehicles usually have much less power than promised
Here are a few average numbers of what I am doing at the engine
C6 ZR1 = ca 580-600HP it lacks about 40
C7 Z06 7G = about 600-620HP missing about 50
C7 Z06 8A = ca 580-600HP there are about 60 missing
The new C7ZR1 I could not measure, because our car has not come, I'm already sure there will be at least 50 more missing
As comparison
Porsche GT3 450 HP I measure 450
Porsche GT3 500 HP I measure 500
MC Claren 720 = I measure 760
Greetings to the USA
Cölestin
I can tell you where the difference is
We measure on our test bench according to the DIN standard
As a rule of thumb to convert from DIN to SAE PS you can use the factor 1.02
All GM vehicles usually have much less power than promised
Here are a few average numbers of what I am doing at the engine
C6 ZR1 = ca 580-600HP it lacks about 40
C7 Z06 7G = about 600-620HP missing about 50
C7 Z06 8A = ca 580-600HP there are about 60 missing
The new C7ZR1 I could not measure, because our car has not come, I'm already sure there will be at least 50 more missing
As comparison
Porsche GT3 450 HP I measure 450
Porsche GT3 500 HP I measure 500
MC Claren 720 = I measure 760
Greetings to the USA
Cölestin
07-25-2018, 09:16 PM
#113
I went from a z06 to the 570s Biggest difference between the z06 vs any mclaren its much easier for a novice to find the limits in the mclaren, I bet a z06 is faster around the track but only in the hands of a pro.
If you have never driven an exotic and only going on specs alone you will never understand the difference between a Chevy and Mclaren. once you drive the exotic I promise you will understand why they cost so much!!
If you have never driven an exotic and only going on specs alone you will never understand the difference between a Chevy and Mclaren. once you drive the exotic I promise you will understand why they cost so much!!
07-25-2018, 10:09 PM
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I went from a z06 to the 570s Biggest difference between the z06 vs any mclaren its much easier for a novice to find the limits in the mclaren, I bet a z06 is faster around the track but only in the hands of a pro.
If you have never driven an exotic and only going on specs alone you will never understand the difference between a Chevy and Mclaren. once you drive the exotic I promise you will understand why they cost so much!!
If you have never driven an exotic and only going on specs alone you will never understand the difference between a Chevy and Mclaren. once you drive the exotic I promise you will understand why they cost so much!!
07-26-2018, 01:58 PM
#116
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i think its unreasonable comparison... the 720s is pushing into hypercar performance, people keep comparing the 720s's numbers with other supercars and then shame the other supercars for losing, it is quite unfair to the other cars... it's not that the other supercars are not good, the 720s is like in another category with its specs. You have to remember the materials and engineering in this car, it is why it costs way more than the ZR1 and some other supercars, they need to make it better enough to separate it from the 570s which is already one of the quickest supercars. We have to take into account the weight and aero for cars like this, horsepower alone doesn't mean much, mclaren and porsche proves this many times. TBH it is too easy to overhype the 720s because people keep comparing it with entry level supercars when it is a step above that creating a class of its own, the 720s because of its aero and weight, is one of the fastest in straight line acceleration period, it shouldn't surprise anybody... but around the track it might be a different story, that's where the track focused lt version will come in and it will be a crazy track monster, they have to leave room for that beast.
also... people should realize the ZR1 and ACR are track focused cars, meaning they are meant for lap times, the engineers designed them more for the track rather than going fast in a straight line, so stop racing them in a straight line and crying about losing to better cars for that purpose and go to the track to enjoy them more. Don't go talking trash about the vettes or other supercars, we should appreciate all the engineering and magic put into these cars and be thankful you are lucky enough to own one.
also... people should realize the ZR1 and ACR are track focused cars, meaning they are meant for lap times, the engineers designed them more for the track rather than going fast in a straight line, so stop racing them in a straight line and crying about losing to better cars for that purpose and go to the track to enjoy them more. Don't go talking trash about the vettes or other supercars, we should appreciate all the engineering and magic put into these cars and be thankful you are lucky enough to own one.
07-26-2018, 02:19 PM
#117
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I went from a z06 to the 570s Biggest difference between the z06 vs any mclaren its much easier for a novice to find the limits in the mclaren, I bet a z06 is faster around the track but only in the hands of a pro.
If you have never driven an exotic and only going on specs alone you will never understand the difference between a Chevy and Mclaren. once you drive the exotic I promise you will understand why they cost so much!!
If you have never driven an exotic and only going on specs alone you will never understand the difference between a Chevy and Mclaren. once you drive the exotic I promise you will understand why they cost so much!!
07-26-2018, 02:24 PM
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07-26-2018, 03:55 PM
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I went from a z06 to the 570s Biggest difference between the z06 vs any mclaren its much easier for a novice to find the limits in the mclaren, I bet a z06 is faster around the track but only in the hands of a pro.
If you have never driven an exotic and only going on specs alone you will never understand the difference between a Chevy and Mclaren. once you drive the exotic I promise you will understand why they cost so much!!
If you have never driven an exotic and only going on specs alone you will never understand the difference between a Chevy and Mclaren. once you drive the exotic I promise you will understand why they cost so much!!
So my wife and I have 8k on the '17 Z, more than half of those miles at the track. I would love to see any of those cars just mentioned come to our local HPDE for a little friendly amateur comparison