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Old 01-20-2023, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by msm859
Actually the X5 45e has an electric motor with 111 hp, can doe 0-60 in 5.3 seconds and can get over 50 MPGe. As to charging maybe your friend needs to get a L2 charger at his house - will cut the changing time down to 1-2 hours.
The X5 45e in electric only which is how many owners attempt to operate at all times does 0-60 in 17 seconds. Sorry if that is what not what the EV/PHEV flagwavers want to hear.
The 45e will NOT charge in one hour. That is pure BS.
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Originally Posted by cryptonic
The X5 45e in electric only which is how many owners attempt to operate at all times does 0-60 in 17 seconds. Sorry if that is what not what the EV/PHEV flagwavers want to hear.
The 45e will NOT charge in one hour. That is pure BS.
The driver has 100% control over his 0-60. He can go anywhere from 5.3 - 17 seconds - his choice. Not sure where you got the "stat" that "many" owners are attempting the 0-60 in 17 seconds? As to charging I said the owner needs to install a "L2" - Level 2 charger in his garage. No big deal. I have one for my Tesla X it adds over 30 miles per hour when charging.
However, I must stand corrected. Apparently the BMW will only charge at a maximum of 3.7 kWh. So it could take 5 hours with a L2 home charger. https://evocharge.com/resources/vehi...-x5-xdrive45e/
But remember that is also going from 0 -100% charge. In real world that is rarely what anyone actually does.
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Originally Posted by cryptonic
Exactly. Most PHEVs are just stupid. A guy where we live just bought an X5 45e which gets him a whopping 20 miles after a 10 hour charge which is absolutley ridiculous. A full charge that might get near 30 miles takes 17 hours! The 100HP electric motor takes his 6,000 lb BMW PHEV from 0-60 in 17 seconds which is totally unacceptable. He is obviously very dissatisfied with the vehicle but really had no idea what he was buying. Nothing more than a damn gimmick that comes with a nightmare of confounding complexity.
Todays PHEVs will be as laughable as "bag phones" in the near future.
But folks can tell their neighbors they are "green!"

Funny my California Family; daughter, two granddaughters, grandson and their spouses are dedicated greenies! Respect their opinion but they don't my 8.2 Liter Street Rod and gas wasting Vette. Just thought, I'll put this pic of what I am going to buy (from the Build an E-Ray GM Website) on Facebook and tell them I've turned green. At least true when I use ~650 hp compared to a Z06!

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Old 01-20-2023, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by msm859
The driver has 100% control over his 0-60. He can go anywhere from 5.3 - 17 seconds - his choice. Not sure where you got the "stat" that "many" owners are attempting the 0-60 in 17 seconds? As to charging I said the owner needs to install a "L2" - Level 2 charger in his garage. No big deal. I have one for my Tesla X it adds over 30 miles per hour when charging.
However, I must stand corrected. Apparently the BMW will only charge at a maximum of 3.7 kWh. So it could take 5 hours with a L2 home charger. https://evocharge.com/resources/vehi...-x5-xdrive45e/
But remember that is also going from 0 -100% charge. In real world that is rarely what anyone actually does.
Oh I get that and am no expert on this stuff either.
I may try a non plug in hybrid at some point in the near future but will wait a while before going to a pure EV and skip the plug in hybrid which to me is just a bridge to a far better product. Lots of different ways to go here. Hopefully the damn government gets their nose out of it.
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Originally Posted by JerryU
But folks can tell their neighbors they are "green!"

Funny my California Family; daughter, two granddaughters, grandson and their spouses are dedicated greenies! Respect their opinion but they don't my 8.2 Liter Street Rod and gas wasting Vette. Just thought, I'll put this pic of what I am going to buy (from the Build an E-Ray GM Website) on Facebook and tell them I've turned green. At least true when I use ~650 hp compared to a Z06! ........
Well actually you are correct, compared to the Z06 you are "green" I suspect the city mileage might be 50% better and the highway/combined @ 33% better. You can let them know you are doing your part to reduce the worlds dependency on oil - not contributing to the demand for Russian oil who produces 12% of the world's oil.
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Start/Stop technology should add some MPG. Probably .1. That stop start function is a big drawback for me.
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Originally Posted by wiso
The z06 burns gas like a dumpster fire.
So?
Old 01-20-2023, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by msm859
Well actually you are correct, compared to the Z06 you are "green" I suspect the city mileage might be 50% better and the highway/combined @ 33% better. You can let them know you are doing your part to reduce the worlds dependency on oil - not contributing to the demand for Russian oil who produces 12% of the world's oil.
The US was energy independent due to our abundant oil reserves. We are now unable to use our own energy which is total BS. Rainbows and Unicorns to the rescue.
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Originally Posted by Atari_Prime
So?
I was replying to the persons desire for more MPG, then thinking about just getting a z car.
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Old 01-20-2023, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by wiso
I was replying to the persons desire for more MPG, then thinking about just getting a z car.
I honestly don't even know what mileage I get on my non Z C8. My fill up total ranges are between 270 and 315.

I was hoping for maybe like 10mpg better with the ERAY . I honestly didn't really look into it that much, heard the word battery, and figured that meant mpg magic. I'm still somewhere between 15-20 on my dealers list, so guess I still have a couple years to decide.
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I really do like what I've read so far on the new eRay and I was hoping to get an answer to one of my questions from this eRay Forum, but I couldn't see where anyone asked my question. I understand that the battery for the front wheels is small and only lasts for a short period of time. My question is how do you engage the front wheels only or how do you engage the full 650+ HP? In other words, if you were traveling down a highway or good 2 lane road at 50 MPH and ran into a horrendous rain storm and wanted to engage 4 wheel drive, how is this done? Or is the AWD feature always active and the battery continuously charges itself as you drive the car or just how does it work? Not necessarily the mechanical end, but how does it function or engage that 4 wheel drive system for the user? If you can only drive 2-3 miles in stealth (quiet) EV mode with no power from the V8 engine, how does one engage just that feature? Or, am I completely fowled up on understanding this feature...could be that! Thanks!
Old 01-21-2023, 01:49 PM
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I think most of the videos out so far explain how the system works.
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Originally Posted by BIG Dave
The 2023 Stingray gets 16 City, 24 Highway, 19 Combined. I predict the 2024 eRay will get 17/25/20. If I’m correct, do I win a prize?
I am just quoting the AP reporter Tom Krisher who was talking with GM folks at the Reveal.

QUOTE: Unlike most hybrids, it’s not really made for efficiency, although will get a little better city mileage than a standard Stingray at 16 mpg. But because of higher mass and air drag, it will do worse than the standard Corvette’s 24 mpg on the highway."

I posted in another Thread the drag number of the C7 wide body:

Base C7 = 0.30
Grand Sport = 0.35
Grand Sport Stage 2 Aero = 0.40 (
which I had)
Grand Sport Stage 3 Aero = 0.50
(How could the Stage 3 Aero be that bad? Easy, both Stage 2 and 3 had height extensions on the real spoiler ends. Stage 3 added a clear plastic piece between the two that GM called a wickerbill. At 50 mph it would be like sticking a 6-inch wide 4-foot-long board out the window. Lots of drag force!)

So I'll predict 17/23/19! The same as the C8 in EPA Tests.
Note your actual milage may vary. In some situations, much better City!
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Originally Posted by JerryU
I am just quoting the AP reporter Tom Krisher who was talking with GM folks at the Reveal.

QUOTE: Unlike most hybrids, it’s not really made for efficiency, although will get a little better city mileage than a standard Stingray at 16 mpg. But because of higher mass and air drag, it will do worse than the standard Corvette’s 24 mpg on the highway."

............
So I'll predict 17/23/19! The same as the C8 in EPA Tests.
Note your actual milage may vary. In some situations, much better City!
I believe the current EPA figures are 16/24/19. With stop/start and Stealth mode I would think city would go up 2-3 miles. Highway the same or even +1 with more aggressive ACM. Combined should also go up 2-3 mpg.
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^^^
You could be right. Lets see what software GM has and their final mpg numbers.
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Originally Posted by cryptonic
The US was energy independent due to our abundant oil reserves. We are now unable to use our own energy which is total BS. Rainbows and Unicorns to the rescue.
The U.S. is the world's biggest oil producer and production is at a record high. The U.S. will be a net exporter of crude oil this year.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/energy/u...crude-oil-2023
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Old 01-22-2023, 10:22 AM
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^^^^^Hopefully we can replenish our strategic reserves which were recently raped for political gain.

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^^^^^Hopefully we can replenish our strategic reserves which were recently raped for political gain.
Buy low, sell high. Makes sense to me, unless you enjoy $5/gal gas.
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Originally Posted by msm859
No I was hoping for a modern sports car coming out in the year 2023, not something based on a 9 year old F1 technology or 10+ year old NSX technology. Modern sport cars are coming out with performance PLUS economy. Ferrari SF90, 296, Mclaren Arturo, and what you will see from every manufacture on a new sports car coming out here on out. Focusing 99% on performance seems misplaced - especially considering they have the Z06 for that mission.

I expected you to be disappointed after it was revealed the direction they went with. Listening to Aaron Link in this Speed Phenom video, he touches on why they most likely chose this direction. Sounds like they instead wanted to ease traditional Corvette enthusiasts into electrification as they likely assumed their traditional base would be opposed if they made too many drastic changes like adding a plug in option. These decisions were most likely made way in advance of the C8’s great success with obtaining customers outside of the traditional demographic.

Check out Aaron’s explanation starting around the 10 minute mark of this video.

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Originally Posted by JockItch
I expected you to be disappointed after it was revealed the direction they went with. Listening to Aaron Link in this Speed Phenom video, he touches on why they most likely chose this direction. Sounds like they instead wanted to ease traditional Corvette enthusiasts into electrification as they likely assumed their traditional base would be opposed if they made too many drastic changes like adding a plug in option. These decisions were most likely made way in advance of the C8’s great success with obtaining customers outside of the traditional demographic.

Check out Aaron’s explanation starting around the 10 minute mark of this video.

https://youtu.be/0WPq9eZhEBc
You are probably correct. Sadly, the direction I wanted to go would have in reality benefitted 99% of their "base" 99% of the time with their actual driving. What percent actually track? And what percentage of the driving is that? The Z06 was designed as their track star. GM should not have been afraid to focus the ERAY more on the future direction.
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