ZR1 suspension issue
03-27-2017, 06:28 AM
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ZR1 suspension issue
I have a 2016 ZO6/07. If you turn off the computer aided gizmos the car is a handful. I think the 650 HP engine is more than the suspension can handle. A few weeks ago I was at Willow Springs. I turned off the computer aided help and the rear end does come out around some turns. If you stomp on the gas in 1st or even 2nd the car is a real handful.
If the ZR1 suspension is the same as the ZO6/07 and it arrives with 750HP it will just make it more of a handful. I hope the mid engine car gets a completely new suspension.
If the ZR1 suspension is the same as the ZO6/07 and it arrives with 750HP it will just make it more of a handful. I hope the mid engine car gets a completely new suspension.
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03-27-2017, 08:31 AM
Le Mans Master
Or conversely, you could think of the accelerator pedal as a rheostat vs an on/off switch.
03-27-2017, 08:31 AM
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Le Mans Master
Or conversely, you could think of the accelerator pedal as a rheostat vs an on/off switch.
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03-27-2017, 02:18 PM
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I have a 2016 ZO6/07. If you turn off the computer aided gizmos the car is a handful. I think the 650 HP engine is more than the suspension can handle. A few weeks ago I was at Willow Springs. I turned off the computer aided help and the rear end does come out around some turns. If you stomp on the gas in 1st or even 2nd the car is a real handful.
If the ZR1 suspension is the same as the ZO6/07 and it arrives with 750HP it will just make it more of a handful. I hope the mid engine car gets a completely new suspension.
If the ZR1 suspension is the same as the ZO6/07 and it arrives with 750HP it will just make it more of a handful. I hope the mid engine car gets a completely new suspension.
03-27-2017, 02:30 PM
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Burning Brakes
03-27-2017, 03:52 PM
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03-27-2017, 03:53 PM
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03-27-2017, 04:07 PM
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Burning Brakes
Exactly! I think he lacks reading comprehension. The OP stats how the car can be difficult to handle and says he's not a "driver". Then when I say Randy had similar remarks, I'm not Randy! Obviously, but Randy is a professional so his opinion should have a little validity to it.
03-27-2017, 05:37 PM
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Drifting
Not entering in to the driver/not a driver commentary, I'm with redzone...regardless of your level of driving competency and aside from the power and handling of the car, smooth operation of the vehicle is a key driving quality to build driver confidence to explore a vehicle's capacities.
03-27-2017, 06:00 PM
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This thread title is very misleading.
Anyway, I really can't name any non-midengine 600+hp 3500lb RWD car that isn't hard to handle. To me, that comes with the territory. Porsche has always had this problem with the GT2 and GT2RS. They are called Widowmakers for a reason. We all know the Viper's reputation as well.
While the Z06's power management leaves some to be desired, I think a good alignment and a good throttle foot solves a lot of what most people complain about. I wouldn't call it an issue with the design of the suspension itself. The C7 platform doesn't generate the lap times it does with bad suspension design.
Anyway, I really can't name any non-midengine 600+hp 3500lb RWD car that isn't hard to handle. To me, that comes with the territory. Porsche has always had this problem with the GT2 and GT2RS. They are called Widowmakers for a reason. We all know the Viper's reputation as well.
While the Z06's power management leaves some to be desired, I think a good alignment and a good throttle foot solves a lot of what most people complain about. I wouldn't call it an issue with the design of the suspension itself. The C7 platform doesn't generate the lap times it does with bad suspension design.
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03-28-2017, 04:54 PM
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This thread title is very misleading.
Anyway, I really can't name any non-midengine 600+hp 3500lb RWD car that isn't hard to handle. To me, that comes with the territory. Porsche has always had this problem with the GT2 and GT2RS. They are called Widowmakers for a reason. We all know the Viper's reputation as well.
While the Z06's power management leaves some to be desired, I think a good alignment and a good throttle foot solves a lot of what most people complain about. I wouldn't call it an issue with the design of the suspension itself. The C7 platform doesn't generate the lap times it does with bad suspension design.
Anyway, I really can't name any non-midengine 600+hp 3500lb RWD car that isn't hard to handle. To me, that comes with the territory. Porsche has always had this problem with the GT2 and GT2RS. They are called Widowmakers for a reason. We all know the Viper's reputation as well.
While the Z06's power management leaves some to be desired, I think a good alignment and a good throttle foot solves a lot of what most people complain about. I wouldn't call it an issue with the design of the suspension itself. The C7 platform doesn't generate the lap times it does with bad suspension design.
03-29-2017, 06:40 PM
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Race Director
So....don't cut off the driver aids.
They are there for a reason. The car has 650 HORSEPOWER, most 650hp cars tend to be a handful, no matter what the chassis configuration, mainly because, they have 650hp.
They are there for a reason. The car has 650 HORSEPOWER, most 650hp cars tend to be a handful, no matter what the chassis configuration, mainly because, they have 650hp.
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03-29-2017, 06:43 PM
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MOST cars with that kind of power must be driven with a very healthy dose of respect. This is like the folks that bought Hummer H1's and then complained about gas mileage....it weighs 3 tons and has the aero of a building, what were they expecting?
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03-30-2017, 04:33 PM
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That's not true. My '11 supercharged (650hp) M3 is not a "handful." Not sure what kind of lap times OP was running at WSIR, but I consistently run sub 1:30 with the nannies turned off.
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I have a 2016 ZO6/07. If you turn off the computer aided gizmos the car is a handful. I think the 650 HP engine is more than the suspension can handle. A few weeks ago I was at Willow Springs. I turned off the computer aided help and the rear end does come out around some turns. If you stomp on the gas in 1st or even 2nd the car is a real handful.
If the ZR1 suspension is the same as the ZO6/07 and it arrives with 750HP it will just make it more of a handful. I hope the mid engine car gets a completely new suspension.
If the ZR1 suspension is the same as the ZO6/07 and it arrives with 750HP it will just make it more of a handful. I hope the mid engine car gets a completely new suspension.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ar-caster.html
The first Time Randy P. Tested the Z06 the Rear Caster alignment was F***ed up and it was downright scary!. He retested it again with a better alignment he stated the car was better however it still had a too much oversteer (I think it was a retest vs GTR Nissmo). I think the OP is right that the factory suspension is not optimized. When Randy P. tested the new ZL1 recently....The guys at motortrend stated they loved the ZL1 chasis....He commented how much better it puts the power down vs. the Z06. "One hand drift in the ZL1 vs. White Knuckles and Sweaty Brow in the ZO6"...Same Motors different Chasis
Im with the OP I believe you should be able to turn all the nannies off at the Track and enjoy the car but of the car scares you to death then what fun is it
ZO6 Test
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03-31-2017, 03:57 PM
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I have found that Corvettes from the 4th gen through the 6th could all be tricky at the limit at the rear but could be improved with custom alignment specs that were outside of factory specs.
I also found that that I could get the C5 and C6 to go faster without AH/TC. I haven't driven a C7 yet but I wouldn't be surprised if it was similar to previous cars, but with 650 lb/ft of torque on tap it would have to be a little more demanding.
I also found that that I could get the C5 and C6 to go faster without AH/TC. I haven't driven a C7 yet but I wouldn't be surprised if it was similar to previous cars, but with 650 lb/ft of torque on tap it would have to be a little more demanding.
03-31-2017, 06:48 PM
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I assume you have made other modifications to your M3, as I find it hard to believe that you could add that much power without doing LOTS of suspension mods. And if that's the case, well, it's hardly apples/apples.
PS. I said MOST, not ALL
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