Is a Corvette Hybrid Really Coming? (photos)
05-09-2017, 07:35 PM
#21
Burning Brakes
I'm aware of that (own a '16 Malibu hybrid.). I'm pointing out they could do that like the 918 if they want. For a company of there size though it probably would have no effect on cafe for them.
05-09-2017, 10:30 PM
#23
Team Owner
Why would I want a hybrid Corvette?
The 2017 NSX is hybrid and it has 573 HP but 3803 pounds because of the electric motors and batteries.
The NSX runs 3.1 0-60, 18.2 0-150 and takes 11.2 seconds to run the quarter mile.
The NSX only has 3.9 cu ft of cargo space and gets 21MPG city and 22 MPG highway.
My C6 Z06 has 505 HP and weighs 3175 pounds.
My C6 Z06 does 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, 0-150 in 17.4 seconds and does the 1/4 mile in 11.4 seconds(pure ton stock tires..
If I were to add 73 HP(so I would have the same horsepower as the NSX), with very few add-ons and very little money involved, I bet my C6 Z06 would better the NSX's performance specs. Plus I would still retain my 22 cu ft of cargo space in the rear, and still get around 30+ MPG on the highway.
I don't see that I would gain anything with a hybrid Corvette, and actually lose a lot, as I count my 22 cu ft of cargo space very highly. Gaining a few extra miles per gallons in the city is way overshadowed by the way better gas mileage I get on the highway, on my long road trips. I can do a 2,500 trip to the mountains of Colorado and average 29.2 MPG for the entire 2,500 mile trip. That's 32% better gas mileage than the 9 year newer NSX hybrid gets.
The 2017 NSX is hybrid and it has 573 HP but 3803 pounds because of the electric motors and batteries.
The NSX runs 3.1 0-60, 18.2 0-150 and takes 11.2 seconds to run the quarter mile.
The NSX only has 3.9 cu ft of cargo space and gets 21MPG city and 22 MPG highway.
My C6 Z06 has 505 HP and weighs 3175 pounds.
My C6 Z06 does 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, 0-150 in 17.4 seconds and does the 1/4 mile in 11.4 seconds(pure ton stock tires..
If I were to add 73 HP(so I would have the same horsepower as the NSX), with very few add-ons and very little money involved, I bet my C6 Z06 would better the NSX's performance specs. Plus I would still retain my 22 cu ft of cargo space in the rear, and still get around 30+ MPG on the highway.
I don't see that I would gain anything with a hybrid Corvette, and actually lose a lot, as I count my 22 cu ft of cargo space very highly. Gaining a few extra miles per gallons in the city is way overshadowed by the way better gas mileage I get on the highway, on my long road trips. I can do a 2,500 trip to the mountains of Colorado and average 29.2 MPG for the entire 2,500 mile trip. That's 32% better gas mileage than the 9 year newer NSX hybrid gets.
Last edited by JoesC5; 05-09-2017 at 10:30 PM.
05-10-2017, 10:22 AM
#25
Why would I want a hybrid Corvette?
The 2017 NSX is hybrid and it has 573 HP but 3803 pounds because of the electric motors and batteries.
The NSX runs 3.1 0-60, 18.2 0-150 and takes 11.2 seconds to run the quarter mile.
The NSX only has 3.9 cu ft of cargo space and gets 21MPG city and 22 MPG highway.
My C6 Z06 has 505 HP and weighs 3175 pounds.
My C6 Z06 does 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, 0-150 in 17.4 seconds and does the 1/4 mile in 11.4 seconds(pure ton stock tires..
If I were to add 73 HP(so I would have the same horsepower as the NSX), with very few add-ons and very little money involved, I bet my C6 Z06 would better the NSX's performance specs. Plus I would still retain my 22 cu ft of cargo space in the rear, and still get around 30+ MPG on the highway.
I don't see that I would gain anything with a hybrid Corvette, and actually lose a lot, as I count my 22 cu ft of cargo space very highly. Gaining a few extra miles per gallons in the city is way overshadowed by the way better gas mileage I get on the highway, on my long road trips. I can do a 2,500 trip to the mountains of Colorado and average 29.2 MPG for the entire 2,500 mile trip. That's 32% better gas mileage than the 9 year newer NSX hybrid gets.
The 2017 NSX is hybrid and it has 573 HP but 3803 pounds because of the electric motors and batteries.
The NSX runs 3.1 0-60, 18.2 0-150 and takes 11.2 seconds to run the quarter mile.
The NSX only has 3.9 cu ft of cargo space and gets 21MPG city and 22 MPG highway.
My C6 Z06 has 505 HP and weighs 3175 pounds.
My C6 Z06 does 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, 0-150 in 17.4 seconds and does the 1/4 mile in 11.4 seconds(pure ton stock tires..
If I were to add 73 HP(so I would have the same horsepower as the NSX), with very few add-ons and very little money involved, I bet my C6 Z06 would better the NSX's performance specs. Plus I would still retain my 22 cu ft of cargo space in the rear, and still get around 30+ MPG on the highway.
I don't see that I would gain anything with a hybrid Corvette, and actually lose a lot, as I count my 22 cu ft of cargo space very highly. Gaining a few extra miles per gallons in the city is way overshadowed by the way better gas mileage I get on the highway, on my long road trips. I can do a 2,500 trip to the mountains of Colorado and average 29.2 MPG for the entire 2,500 mile trip. That's 32% better gas mileage than the 9 year newer NSX hybrid gets.
05-10-2017, 10:26 AM
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Why would I want a hybrid Corvette?
The 2017 NSX is hybrid and it has 573 HP but 3803 pounds because of the electric motors and batteries.
The NSX runs 3.1 0-60, 18.2 0-150 and takes 11.2 seconds to run the quarter mile.
The NSX only has 3.9 cu ft of cargo space and gets 21MPG city and 22 MPG highway.
My C6 Z06 has 505 HP and weighs 3175 pounds.
My C6 Z06 does 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, 0-150 in 17.4 seconds and does the 1/4 mile in 11.4 seconds(pure ton stock tires..
If I were to add 73 HP(so I would have the same horsepower as the NSX), with very few add-ons and very little money involved, I bet my C6 Z06 would better the NSX's performance specs. Plus I would still retain my 22 cu ft of cargo space in the rear, and still get around 30+ MPG on the highway.
I don't see that I would gain anything with a hybrid Corvette, and actually lose a lot, as I count my 22 cu ft of cargo space very highly. Gaining a few extra miles per gallons in the city is way overshadowed by the way better gas mileage I get on the highway, on my long road trips. I can do a 2,500 trip to the mountains of Colorado and average 29.2 MPG for the entire 2,500 mile trip. That's 32% better gas mileage than the 9 year newer NSX hybrid gets.
The 2017 NSX is hybrid and it has 573 HP but 3803 pounds because of the electric motors and batteries.
The NSX runs 3.1 0-60, 18.2 0-150 and takes 11.2 seconds to run the quarter mile.
The NSX only has 3.9 cu ft of cargo space and gets 21MPG city and 22 MPG highway.
My C6 Z06 has 505 HP and weighs 3175 pounds.
My C6 Z06 does 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, 0-150 in 17.4 seconds and does the 1/4 mile in 11.4 seconds(pure ton stock tires..
If I were to add 73 HP(so I would have the same horsepower as the NSX), with very few add-ons and very little money involved, I bet my C6 Z06 would better the NSX's performance specs. Plus I would still retain my 22 cu ft of cargo space in the rear, and still get around 30+ MPG on the highway.
I don't see that I would gain anything with a hybrid Corvette, and actually lose a lot, as I count my 22 cu ft of cargo space very highly. Gaining a few extra miles per gallons in the city is way overshadowed by the way better gas mileage I get on the highway, on my long road trips. I can do a 2,500 trip to the mountains of Colorado and average 29.2 MPG for the entire 2,500 mile trip. That's 32% better gas mileage than the 9 year newer NSX hybrid gets.
Best,
Gene
05-10-2017, 11:16 AM
#28
LaF, 918, P1 are hybrid. IMHO GM with their incredible engineers and economies of scale are capable of making a "Corvette 918". Additionally CF tubs and the like are far cheaper than they were in the past. GM is capable of doing a CF tub, electric hybrid, with active aero for a "reasonable" price with astonishing performance.
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05-10-2017, 02:04 PM
#29
Race Director
05-10-2017, 09:00 PM
#30
Burning Brakes
I agree. If they do a hybrid style it surely wont be stuck with the NSX 570 hp or whatever. It'll make more then that just from the engine and combined my guess is 800ish and weight around 3500-3600.
05-11-2017, 01:46 AM
#31
Electric motors and battery do add weight, but not as much as many assume.
05-12-2017, 12:00 PM
#32
Team Owner
I can add 85 pounds to my C6 Z06 and I can out perform the NSX, and yet have 2.5 times the cargo space and 50% better gas mileage on the highway than the latest design mid engine sports car.
Acura has all the weight saving engineering in the NSX that GM will have in their ME design.
Last edited by JoesC5; 05-12-2017 at 12:03 PM.
05-12-2017, 12:51 PM
#33
Melting Slicks
Hybrids and elec cars mean weight, huge electrical complexity so only dealers can work on them, and huge waste issues as spent rechargeable batteries are nasty to dispose of. The last point will come back to bite us big time in the future....
05-12-2017, 12:53 PM
#34
I have to assume that the batteries and electric motors added enough weight to get the NSX up to 3803 pounds. That is 628 pounds more than my C6 Z06 weighs and I don't see that the NSX really offers me anything more than what I already have.
I can add 85 pounds to my C6 Z06 and I can out perform the NSX, and yet have 2.5 times the cargo space and 50% better gas mileage on the highway than the latest design mid engine sports car.
I can add 85 pounds to my C6 Z06 and I can out perform the NSX, and yet have 2.5 times the cargo space and 50% better gas mileage on the highway than the latest design mid engine sports car.
The mission for each car is radically different.
Acura has all the weight saving engineering in the NSX that GM will have in their ME design.
05-13-2017, 10:32 AM
#35
Team Owner
Ford has come up with a two seater sports car(2017 GT) that employs all the latest "weight saving" technology that is usable in a licensable street car. It's dry weight is 3,050 pounds compared to my C6 Z06's dry weight of 3,041 pounds. What will GM come up with that will surpass those numbers?
The Ford GT does not have any weight adding technology known as heavy batteries and heavy electric motors. Please tell me how adding those heavy items will not increase the weight of a hybrid Corvette beyond my Z06's 3,041 pounds(dry) or the GT's 3,050 pounds(dry).
The NSX is built similar to the Corvette, except for the heavy batteries and the heavy electric motors, thus I doubt that GM can build a hybrid ME sports car any lighter than the NSX.
05-13-2017, 02:15 PM
#36
Unlike the Vette, the NSX's "mission" is as a demonstration of Honda's cutting edge technology (like Toyota's LFA of a few years ago).
Honda doesn't intend for it to have yearly sales in the tens of thousands (like the Corvette).
Where did I say a hybrid Corvette would weigh 3,000 lbs.?
It certainly won't, but exactly what, we don't know.
I would expect it to be < 2 tons...that's all I would guess at this point.
Honda doesn't intend for it to have yearly sales in the tens of thousands (like the Corvette).
Where did I say a hybrid Corvette would weigh 3,000 lbs.?
It certainly won't, but exactly what, we don't know.
I would expect it to be < 2 tons...that's all I would guess at this point.
05-13-2017, 04:49 PM
#37
Team Owner
Unlike the Vette, the NSX's "mission" is as a demonstration of Honda's cutting edge technology (like Toyota's LFA of a few years ago).
Honda doesn't intend for it to have yearly sales in the tens of thousands (like the Corvette).
Where did I say a hybrid Corvette would weigh 3,000 lbs.?
It certainly won't, but exactly what, we don't know.
I would expect it to be < 2 tons...that's all I would guess at this point.
Honda doesn't intend for it to have yearly sales in the tens of thousands (like the Corvette).
Where did I say a hybrid Corvette would weigh 3,000 lbs.?
It certainly won't, but exactly what, we don't know.
I would expect it to be < 2 tons...that's all I would guess at this point.
Acura studied the market pretty well and set up their Ohio plant to have approximately 2,000 capacity annually for the NSX.
I'm a firm believer that GM will produce a mid engine car(Corvette and/or Cadillac) alongside a front engine Corvette for the next generation, thus they plan on selling "tens of thousands" of front engine Corvette C8's and a couple thousand mid engine cars annually.
I seriously doubt that GM will offer a front engine Corvette as a hybrid. If they offer a hybrid it will be much like the NSX's architecture.
Thus, the mission of a mid engine Corvette(or Cadillac) will be the same as the NSX. Low volume and high price.
As a Cadillac, the mid engine GM car will serve the same function as the NSX, to try and showcase the Cadillac as a "high technology" alternate to Mercedes and BMW owners, to try and get them to try a Cadillac.
That's why Cadillac is spending tons of money to get back into racing. It's not to get Cadillac owners to buy "tens of thousands" of single seater race cars so they can go racing, but to prove that Cadillac is just as "technology advanced" as Mercedes, etc.
05-13-2017, 10:03 PM
#38
Acura studied the market pretty well and set up their Ohio plant to have approximately 2,000 capacity annually for the NSX.
However, I hope it works out for 'em.
IMO, the car is pretty cool.
I'm a firm believer that GM will produce a mid engine car(Corvette and/or Cadillac) alongside a front engine Corvette for the next generation, thus they plan on selling "tens of thousands" of front engine Corvette C8's and a couple thousand mid engine cars annually.
I seriously doubt that GM will offer a front engine Corvette as a hybrid. If they offer a hybrid it will be much like the NSX's architecture.
I seriously doubt that GM will offer a front engine Corvette as a hybrid. If they offer a hybrid it will be much like the NSX's architecture.
Thus, the mission of a mid engine Corvette(or Cadillac) will be the same as the NSX. Low volume and high price.l
It's very possible the goals for the 2 brands will be different with the ME.
I suspect the first Hybrid ME will be a Caddy.
Corvette's ME could, ultimately, be both Hybrid and non-Hybrid.
As a Cadillac, the mid engine GM car will serve the same function as the NSX, to try and showcase the Cadillac as a "high technology" alternate to Mercedes and BMW owners, to try and get them to try a Cadillac.
That's why Cadillac is spending tons of money to get back into racing. It's not to get Cadillac owners to buy "tens of thousands" of single seater race cars so they can go racing, but to prove that Cadillac is just as "technology advanced" as Mercedes, etc.
That's why Cadillac is spending tons of money to get back into racing. It's not to get Cadillac owners to buy "tens of thousands" of single seater race cars so they can go racing, but to prove that Cadillac is just as "technology advanced" as Mercedes, etc.
05-13-2017, 11:56 PM
#39
Team Owner
I think they may be a little optimistic on those numbers.
However, I hope it works out for 'em.
IMO, the car is pretty cool.
Agreed.
I'm not sure what GM has in mind.
It's very possible the goals for the 2 brands will be different with the ME.
I suspect the first Hybrid ME will be a Caddy.
Corvette's ME could, ultimately, be both Hybrid and non-Hybrid.
I don't think that Acura is quite ready to throw in the towel yet. Rumor has it they will soon have a type R version, that will be shaving weight and increasing horsepower. I think they are out to prove that they are a performance brand also.
Also they have a GT3 version that looks pretty good.
05-14-2017, 12:05 AM
#40
Team Owner
Just like GM raising the bar with the C7, it's very possible that Acura will be releasing a higher horsepower, lighter weight version for 2018 for the NSX.
Heck, man, the NSX hasn't even been out a year and you think it's over for Acura? The C7 has been out for four years.