New ME In The Wild Video
05-18-2018, 03:53 PM
#21
Seems to be an auto not sure how many gears or what motor. Is it me or does it sound like a C7 LT1 engine? Could be the revised version they talked about. Yes their is definitely something baking in the back of that oven. So we can say test mule 5 is an automatic but what type?
05-18-2018, 04:05 PM
#22
Melting Slicks
Dual clutch for sure.
05-18-2018, 04:41 PM
#23
I am fairly convinced that's the 10-speed auto.
In the very first clip, when it start's from a stop, there is NO clutch or mechanical noise, just smooth engine loading. I believe that's characteristic of a torque converter. Pretty sure there would be some clunking or some noise associated with a DCT starting from a stop.
Also, the frequency of shifts indicates it likely has 8+ gears, which the DCT wouldn't.
In the very first clip, when it start's from a stop, there is NO clutch or mechanical noise, just smooth engine loading. I believe that's characteristic of a torque converter. Pretty sure there would be some clunking or some noise associated with a DCT starting from a stop.
Also, the frequency of shifts indicates it likely has 8+ gears, which the DCT wouldn't.
As I said, I have a DCT car now. The starts are smooth. The frequency of shifts is because it's short shifting in ECO mode.
It's a DCT car for sure in auto mode. When was the last time you heard a rev-matched downshift in a conventional auto?
05-18-2018, 04:42 PM
#24
Melting Slicks
That is a DCT, I have owned over 19 in my time. You can tell, Listen to the shifts and how fast & smooth its shifting to the next gear. That is a lower rev V8 with a Dual Clutch 
Hope it has driver adjust trans speed modes on the DCT. My M5,M3,R8 & others had similar adjustments
Hope it has driver adjust trans speed modes on the DCT. My M5,M3,R8 & others had similar adjustments
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05-18-2018, 07:38 PM
#26
Safety Car
As I've said at least a dozen times in C8 threads, ZERV said that the C8 would initially use an LT1.
I can't speak for everyone here, but I definitely think that the Stingray will send the 911 back to Stuttgart with its tail between its legs.
active engine mounts,
I'm excited, even though I won't be able to afford a C8 Stingray for another 40 years.
I can't speak for everyone here, but I definitely think that the Stingray will send the 911 back to Stuttgart with its tail between its legs.
active engine mounts,
I'm excited, even though I won't be able to afford a C8 Stingray for another 40 years.
What exactly are active engine mounts for?
That is an awful affirmation you have declared for yourself.
05-18-2018, 08:09 PM
#27
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by NewYuriCity
I'm not so sure it's an automatic, based on the CAD drawings from a while back and based on the automatic transmissions GM has, I'm not sure any of them could be used in a MR layout. If anyone knows differently I'd love to learn more about it, but it wouldn't make sense to me to develop a new automatic transmission when Tremec already has a modular 7-speed DCT, but I'm not expert in the matter.
05-18-2018, 08:34 PM
#29
Safety Car
This is what the crankshaft looks like.
It is very heavy and even at low RPM, there is much inertia. IE: it takes a long time to speed up or slow down.
Put you car in neutral and jam the gas pedal to the floor and let go as fast as you can. The engine won't even make it to 3 grand. Try that on a Porsche, or a 458. It will reach the rev limiter in < a second. The LT or LS engine cycle will get it back to idle in 3 seconds.
This spy shot car takes off with light throttle yet it has harsh quick shifts. That's the nature of a DCT. No torque converter would do that. If you smoothed out a DCT shift with this crankshaft, the inertial energy will have to be absorbed some how and some where. It comes with a price. Something has to give. Those clutches will have to slip.
I would just hate to drive a car that puts those impact loads on my drive train every time it shifts. If you want to loose interest in your car in a hurry, get a DCT. Sure hope the 6.2 comes with a stick. I may have to keep my C6Z for another 10 years. I'll be 80.
05-18-2018, 08:44 PM
#30
As I've said at least a dozen times in C8 threads, ZERV said that the C8 would initially use an LT1. This car sounds very much like an LT1, and not much like a Mustang GT or Lexus F series that has a DOHC V8. Remember, OHV engines will generally weigh less and have a better positioning of mass. And you could say that they shouldn't use the same engine as the C7 or that it needs to be DOHC, Keep in mind that this new car and transmission will make the LT1 feel closer to an LT4, and the LT1 will be phased out (potentially for year 3 as Grand Sport enters) in favor of a n/a DOHC V8.
I can't speak for everyone here, but I definitely think that the Stingray will send the 911 back to Stuttgart with its tail between its legs. For $91,000, you can get a 370hp turbo-six with a (fantastic) manual, PASM, 4-pistons front and rear, and superb interior quality. Or, for $75,000, you can get a mid-mounted 460hp 6.2L n/a V8 mated to a DCT and eLSD, along with Dual mode exhaust, magnetically adjusting dampers, active engine mounts, Michelin PS4s Tires, 4-pistons front and rear, and it can be serviced at three different locations within 30 miles. It will also be a lot cheaper to repair and maintain, as long as the reliability is there. 911s aren't nearly as common as Corvettes, so their parts should be more expensive due to lack of supply/volume.
I'm excited, even though I won't be able to afford a C8 Stingray for another 40 years.
I can't speak for everyone here, but I definitely think that the Stingray will send the 911 back to Stuttgart with its tail between its legs. For $91,000, you can get a 370hp turbo-six with a (fantastic) manual, PASM, 4-pistons front and rear, and superb interior quality. Or, for $75,000, you can get a mid-mounted 460hp 6.2L n/a V8 mated to a DCT and eLSD, along with Dual mode exhaust, magnetically adjusting dampers, active engine mounts, Michelin PS4s Tires, 4-pistons front and rear, and it can be serviced at three different locations within 30 miles. It will also be a lot cheaper to repair and maintain, as long as the reliability is there. 911s aren't nearly as common as Corvettes, so their parts should be more expensive due to lack of supply/volume.
I'm excited, even though I won't be able to afford a C8 Stingray for another 40 years.
$85-$90,000 Sticker is my limit
05-18-2018, 08:45 PM
#31
Thanks to Steven Bell for finding this. He is at work right now, so posting it for him — and us.
https://youtu.be/HUHw8dqBjyg
https://youtu.be/HUHw8dqBjyg
05-18-2018, 08:49 PM
#33
) can bitch about the exhaust note..."doesn't sound like my (fill in ANY old Corvette)"
05-18-2018, 08:54 PM
#34
Safety Car
Love the nice short gears! I've expected the basic ME car will have an LT pushrod V8 at launch. I hope it does. But this car has a really sweet exhaust sound, sounds way better than any LS/LT I've ever heard. Either they've really stepped up their exhaust tuning game or this particular car might have a different V8.
05-18-2018, 08:54 PM
#35
As I've said at least a dozen times in C8 threads, ZERV said that the C8 would initially use an LT1. This car sounds very much like an LT1, and not much like a Mustang GT or Lexus F series that has a DOHC V8. Remember, OHV engines will generally weigh less and have a better positioning of mass. And you could say that they shouldn't use the same engine as the C7 or that it needs to be DOHC, Keep in mind that this new car and transmission will make the LT1 feel closer to an LT4, and the LT1 will be phased out (potentially for year 3 as Grand Sport enters) in favor of a n/a DOHC V8.
I can't speak for everyone here, but I definitely think that the Stingray will send the 911 back to Stuttgart with its tail between its legs. For $91,000, you can get a 370hp turbo-six with a (fantastic) manual, PASM, 4-pistons front and rear, and superb interior quality. Or, for $75,000, you can get a mid-mounted 460hp 6.2L n/a V8 mated to a DCT and eLSD, along with Dual mode exhaust, magnetically adjusting dampers, active engine mounts, Michelin PS4s Tires, 4-pistons front and rear, and it can be serviced at three different locations within 30 miles. It will also be a lot cheaper to repair and maintain, as long as the reliability is there. 911s aren't nearly as common as Corvettes, so their parts should be more expensive due to lack of supply/volume.
I'm excited, even though I won't be able to afford a C8 Stingray for another 40 years.
I can't speak for everyone here, but I definitely think that the Stingray will send the 911 back to Stuttgart with its tail between its legs. For $91,000, you can get a 370hp turbo-six with a (fantastic) manual, PASM, 4-pistons front and rear, and superb interior quality. Or, for $75,000, you can get a mid-mounted 460hp 6.2L n/a V8 mated to a DCT and eLSD, along with Dual mode exhaust, magnetically adjusting dampers, active engine mounts, Michelin PS4s Tires, 4-pistons front and rear, and it can be serviced at three different locations within 30 miles. It will also be a lot cheaper to repair and maintain, as long as the reliability is there. 911s aren't nearly as common as Corvettes, so their parts should be more expensive due to lack of supply/volume.
I'm excited, even though I won't be able to afford a C8 Stingray for another 40 years.
05-18-2018, 09:48 PM
#36
05-18-2018, 10:17 PM
#37
Yeah, I know, and I understand the regulatory drivers that result in it. Hopefully it'll have similar/better perf mode shift settings of the current crop of autos so when driven in a sporty fashion, it holds gears more aggressively without paddle shifting. One of the niftier features of the A8/A10.
Since it is a transmission that is already on the shelf, it makes since the base car would have it for cost reasons alone.
A DCT might be for upper-end models.
Just a thought...
Same here.
GM could have changed some things on the engine to get it to 500hp (likely HP for the Base IMO).
6.2L is a lot to work with.
05-18-2018, 10:35 PM
#38
Burning Brakes
05-18-2018, 10:39 PM
#39
Burning Brakes
I'm not so sure it's an automatic, based on the CAD drawings from a while back and based on the automatic transmissions GM has, I'm not sure any of them could be used in a MR layout. If anyone knows differently I'd love to learn more about it, but it wouldn't make sense to me to develop a new automatic transmission when Tremec already has a modular 7-speed DCT, but I'm not expert in the matter.
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05-18-2018, 11:02 PM
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