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Old 06-28-2018, 12:55 PM
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There’s no way that the base C8 will weigh 3500lbs. The weight gain would nearly reverse the benefits of going mid-engine.

At worst, we see no weight change in the base car at about 3,300 lbs.

At very best we see about 50 lb reduction over the current C7 base car. Nothing big, but nothing in the wrong direction either. Without extensive use of carbon fiber in the chassis, getting weight below 3,200 lbs is going to be quite a challenge.

Let's take the C7 and remove the driveshaft and extra exhaust piping. We lose about, what, 20 to 25 lbs? That's a reduction inherent with the Mid-Engine platform. Also adds to mpg's and rwhp efficiency a little bit. If nothing else changed essentially we see a car that is 20 to 25 lbs lighter. If they do some fancy tricks with advanced aluminum formings in chassis components to increase strength and reduce weight, we could see another 10 to 15 lbs in reduction, maybe a little more, maybe a little less. If we have about a 1 inch reduction in roof height, and selective use of lightweight materials where sensible (cost wise) we could see another 10 lbs shaved off the car.

Unless they go carbon tub, we just aren't going to see a lot. But, we are not going to see any real increase in weight at all. Just can't see that happening realistically.

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Old 06-28-2018, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by C7pimp View Post
At worst, we see no weight change in the base car at about 3,300 lbs.

At very best we see about 50 lb reduction over the current C7 base car. Nothing big, but nothing in the wrong direction either. Without extensive use of carbon fiber in the chassis, getting weight below 3,200 lbs is going to be quite a challenge.

Let's take the C7 and remove the driveshaft and extra exhaust piping. We lose about, what, 20 to 25 lbs? That's a reduction inherent with the Mid-Engine platform. Also adds to mpg's and rwhp efficiency a little bit. If nothing else changed essentially we see a car that is 20 to 25 lbs lighter. If they do some fancy tricks with advanced aluminum formings in chassis components to increase strength and reduce weight, we could see another 10 to 15 lbs in reduction, maybe a little more, maybe a little less. If we have about a 1 inch reduction in roof height, and selective use of lightweight materials where sensible (cost wise) we could see another 10 lbs shaved off the car.

Unless they go carbon tub, we just aren't going to see a lot. But, we are not going to see any real increase in weight at all. Just can't see that happening realistically.
good to hear from you again pimp!! I agree with you I see about the same to a very minimal weight loss and they’ll keep prices where they should be. I would like to see the equivalent of the 2LT become the base quality. Except for say a Z06 like stripped package. NA/and essential zero creature comforts. Basically just for the very small percentage that want it.
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I agreed. And not just for the percentage wise small amount who track their cars, but for better auto media test results (bragging rights) due to its lesser weight, and lastly for those who wish less “fancy and other stuff” that potentially can go wrong later.

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Originally Posted by C7pimp View Post
At worst, we see no weight change in the base car at about 3,300 lbs.

At very best we see about 50 lb reduction over the current C7 base car. Nothing big, but nothing in the wrong direction either. Without extensive use of carbon fiber in the chassis, getting weight below 3,200 lbs is going to be quite a challenge.

Let's take the C7 and remove the driveshaft and extra exhaust piping. We lose about, what, 20 to 25 lbs? That's a reduction inherent with the Mid-Engine platform. Also adds to mpg's and rwhp efficiency a little bit. If nothing else changed essentially we see a car that is 20 to 25 lbs lighter. If they do some fancy tricks with advanced aluminum formings in chassis components to increase strength and reduce weight, we could see another 10 to 15 lbs in reduction, maybe a little more, maybe a little less. If we have about a 1 inch reduction in roof height, and selective use of lightweight materials where sensible (cost wise) we could see another 10 lbs shaved off the car.

Unless they go carbon tub, we just aren't going to see a lot. But, we are not going to see any real increase in weight at all. Just can't see that happening realistically.
Your messiah is back typing his usual nonsense. Is it just me, or is the C8 section the worst the forum has ever been for fake news?
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Old 06-28-2018, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by C7pimp View Post
At worst, we see no weight change in the base car at about 3,300 lbs.

At very best we see about 50 lb reduction over the current C7 base car. Nothing big, but nothing in the wrong direction either. Without extensive use of carbon fiber in the chassis, getting weight below 3,200 lbs is going to be quite a challenge.

Let's take the C7 and remove the driveshaft and extra exhaust piping. We lose about, what, 20 to 25 lbs? That's a reduction inherent with the Mid-Engine platform. Also adds to mpg's and rwhp efficiency a little bit. If nothing else changed essentially we see a car that is 20 to 25 lbs lighter.
You lose another 40 pounds in the TQ tube.
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Old 06-28-2018, 09:03 PM
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As a side note, I went and listened to the Panaray Sound System in a Platinum level Cadillac CT6 today and I'm happy to relay that it sounds pretty incredible. And it was only XM radio that I was listening to. Very clean and crystal clear at higher volume. If we can get a optional version of this in the mid engined Zora it will be epic. Far beyond what I expected and I had a high end audiophile quality sound system in my prior home.
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Thanks skank for that detailed review! I too hope it is an option.
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I too fell for the concept of aftermarket trim upgrades from 'high line' vendors. Unfortunately, they did NOT hold up after less than a year. The factory trim may not be up to some ones perception of quality or design standards but they certainly seem top hold up in the 'real world'. Good luck to all of you that are giving it a try. I hope it lives up to your expectations.... In the mean time, I'll stick with GM's factory optional trim offerings. They may not be Gucci quality, but they still look like new after 3+ years....
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Don't short some of the quality aftermarket designers! John Caravaggio is one of them. This guy is for real! He makes some of the most Ferrari looking interiors I've ever seen outside of Maranello.

https://www.caravaggiocorvettes.com/
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This was the very first Z06 steering wheel that John Caravaggio did. It still looks identically even three years later.
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This was the very first Z06 steering wheel that John Caravaggio did. It still looks identically even three years later.
I have the same exact steering wheel except it has adrenalin red / black inserts.

absolutely impressed with John's workmenship.

make the whole interior far more appealing and the placement of the hand grips is perfect.

All in all a bargain at $1800.00

The steering wheel option on my 458 was 6k plus so at $1800.00 John wheel has same quality as the Ferrari wheel.
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Old 07-01-2018, 01:52 PM
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In my 911 S Cabriolet order, they wanted $1400 for a wood steering wheel. I declinedl
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Old 01-10-2019, 05:55 PM
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I think legally, no they cannot copy the Lamborghini interior. Maybe enough time has passed that they can use this interior though!

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Originally Posted by NY09C6 View Post
GM would be wise to release the car with a basic interior and manual trans at near c7 prices and wack buyers 5k for a DCT and another 5k for a premium interior option. Guys like me who have no interest in this will buy at that price point and others will easily pay the extra. They both seem to be monumentally important to some.
Some of us are more interested in our sports car being light weight than its having a luxury car interior.
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Some of us are more interested in our sports car being light weight than its having a luxury car interior.
Did you read the entire #1 post and the links ?
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This was the very first Z06 steering wheel that John Caravaggio did. It still looks identically even three years later.
Not hating on John's craftsmanship in any way, but I'm sorry, that wheel design looks like something out of a JC Whitney catalog.
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I would be happy if the interior parts just lined up, didn't have huge gaps, and there were no squeaks and rattles. Toyota seems to be able to do this with a $15,000 Tercel.
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:33 PM
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Did you read the entire #1 post and the links ?
I am not sure re your point? Many interior quality options add additional weight except some like carbon fiber that add extreme cost. I, personally, like the idea of making the interior basic and light, with the optional ability to add more luxury (weight). Maybe like a 0LT option followed by 1LT thru 3LT.
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Originally Posted by PurpleLion View Post
I am not sure re your point? Many interior quality options add additional weight except some like carbon fiber that add extreme cost. I, personally, like the idea of making the interior basic and light, with the optional ability to add more luxury (weight). Maybe like a 0LT option followed by 1LT thru 3LT.
I agree with most of your comment, but if you had read it all including the links you would have realized that the lightest is sometimes the most expensive. The Ask Tadge link has Tadge Juecter explaining that very process. The optional Panaray Sound System has ultra light arrayed tiny speakers vs conventional larger and heavier speakers. Do you want cheaper plastic switch gear or a higher quality metal switchgear( think high end audiophile dials and switches that have ultra smooth action or rotational smoothness)? Porsche actually has web straps vs door handles on their 911 GT cars to save weight yet they charge more for the cheaper look. Gorilla Glass has been mentioned in my List thread as a potential alternative to conventional glass. It is lighter, quieter, stronger, and has a high UV coefficient to eliminate sun fade of the interior. All food for thought.

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Old 01-11-2019, 09:28 AM
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Gorilla glass seems like a great idea.

Re sound systems, as an ex audiophile I know that the only really good speakers are very heavy since weight is required in the speaker enclosure to reduce / eliminate undesired resonances. Also, it is impossible to replicate a proper sonic image inside the complex interior of an automobile. For theses reasons, I personally prefer a light, simple system. Especially since I rarely turn on the radio when I am driving and never when driving fast.

Therefore, for my money, I would probably opt for 0LT. To put it another way, if I were really wealthy I would love to own a 488 challenge instead of a better appointed normal 488.
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