Question-Why would someone just not buy a Porsche?
10-23-2018, 01:44 PM
#661
Staged tests with race tires. Fastlaps is a regurgitation of marketing. Car magazines are marketing.
Looking at the numbers, extrapolating the race tire factors and following the German forum discussions with real owners and real nurb times
Stock GT2RS is at same level/worse than competition (not just ZR1).
Sorry but time and factual critical reading have a way to clear the marketing smoke and mirrors...
Looking at the numbers, extrapolating the race tire factors and following the German forum discussions with real owners and real nurb times
Stock GT2RS is at same level/worse than competition (not just ZR1).
Sorry but time and factual critical reading have a way to clear the marketing smoke and mirrors...
10-23-2018, 02:18 PM
#662
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Staged tests with race tires. Fastlaps is a regurgitation of marketing. Car magazines are marketing.
Looking at the numbers, extrapolating the race tire factors and following the German forum discussions with real owners and real nurb times
Stock GT2RS is at same level/worse than competition (not just ZR1).
Sorry but time and factual critical reading have a way to clear the marketing smoke and mirrors...
Looking at the numbers, extrapolating the race tire factors and following the German forum discussions with real owners and real nurb times
Stock GT2RS is at same level/worse than competition (not just ZR1).
Sorry but time and factual critical reading have a way to clear the marketing smoke and mirrors...
10-23-2018, 03:42 PM
#663
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There is nothing marginal about it. The GT2RS demolishes the ZR1 in every comparison and track contest. It is faster at VIR, Laguna Seca, Willow Springs, and don't forget the Nurburgring. The car just plain outclasses the ZR1 and isn't even in the same league of performance.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow-springs
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/pors...on-power-down/
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...inglap2018cars
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow-springs
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/pors...on-power-down/
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...inglap2018cars
Really, it’s the Z06 that’s the true performance bargain at real world pricing...
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10-23-2018, 03:46 PM
#664
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Isn't it kind of well known that the ZR1 is a real handful on a track? The weight distribution makes it too difficult to put all it's power down, as Mark Reuss exhibited all to well when he crashed one at the Detroit Grand Prix.
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10-23-2018, 04:01 PM
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Done a long time ago. Links to weights, strips, Porsche record statements and retractions from Lars Kern in reference to the Michelin CUP 2 R FIASCO.
Look up my handle/posts and confute on the spot if you can.
Good luck and enjoy fatslaps.
Look up my handle/posts and confute on the spot if you can.
Good luck and enjoy fatslaps.
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10-23-2018, 05:21 PM
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Plus a bunch of other articles, all referring to Kerns as the driver as well as articles stating Porsche did not use track only tires. Happy to post those if you want.
10-23-2018, 08:35 PM
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There is nothing marginal about it. The GT2RS demolishes the ZR1 in every comparison and track contest. It is faster at VIR, Laguna Seca, Willow Springs, and don't forget the Nurburgring. The car just plain outclasses the ZR1 and isn't even in the same league of performance.
10-23-2018, 08:51 PM
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one year on...honestly this has been covered at length especially in Germany.
90% of marketing/magazine GT2RS tests have been conducted with stripped cars with race (non street) tires (see Nurb record).
When regularly equipped with stock features and stock tires the car comes back to earth...
For alI the track specific/ride inconvenient features the cars has, I seriously doubt a stock GT2RS has marginal better track performance than a equally equipped ZR1.
Depending on track and set up I bet you it is a 50/50.
90% of marketing/magazine GT2RS tests have been conducted with stripped cars with race (non street) tires (see Nurb record).
When regularly equipped with stock features and stock tires the car comes back to earth...
For alI the track specific/ride inconvenient features the cars has, I seriously doubt a stock GT2RS has marginal better track performance than a equally equipped ZR1.
Depending on track and set up I bet you it is a 50/50.
Once again another drunkard on Corvette Kool Aid can't admit that there actually is a car out there that out performs the best Corvette yet.
As far as the price difference between the Z and GT2, who exactly started this thread? Here's a hint, don't bring a knife to a gun fight, if you don't like the answer to the question don't ask the question in the first place, simple. If you wanna participate in a thread comparing a 911 to a Corvette be prepared to not like the facts, again, really simple.
10-23-2018, 09:00 PM
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As far as the price difference between the Z and GT2, who exactly started this thread? Here's a hint, don't bring a knife to a gun fight, if you don't like the answer to the question don't ask the question in the first place, simple. If you wanna participate in a thread comparing a 911 to a Corvette be prepared to not like the facts, again, really simple.
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10-23-2018, 09:57 PM
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Riddle me this, if you won Powerball, would you care about the price difference between a GT2 and ZR1 or would you just want performance? It's all a matter of perspective and I'll tell you this much, if I had Bill Gates money and could only have one or the other, I'm taking the GT2.
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10-23-2018, 10:05 PM
#673
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Price is irrelevant buddy, there are also cars that cost 3 times as much as the Z that aren't nearly as fast and modding cars doesn't count.
Riddle me this, if you won Powerball, would you care about the price difference between a GT2 and ZR1 or would you just want performance. It's all a matter of perspective and I'll tell you this much, if I had Bill Gates money and could only have one or the other, I'm taking the GT2.
Riddle me this, if you won Powerball, would you care about the price difference between a GT2 and ZR1 or would you just want performance. It's all a matter of perspective and I'll tell you this much, if I had Bill Gates money and could only have one or the other, I'm taking the GT2.
10-23-2018, 10:09 PM
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Checkmate! People with money as no object may have a Corvette in the stable.....but they will also have cars in their stable that most of us can only read about! But I agree with your statement above.....and while performance is important.....that is only one facet of what defines a car. Car and Driver just did a test of several cars and the zr1 finished a ways back. It had a lot of trouble getting its power to the road and diminished its driving appeal as compared to some of the other cars in the test. I think the Z06 or Gran Sport are the two better C7’s. Just my opinion.
then when the new generation arrives they can lay accolade after accolade on the latest and greatest corvette..
nothing new..its just what the auto journalists do...
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10-23-2018, 10:12 PM
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just a heads up..at the end of every generation of corvettes the media always pans the last year of the vehicle in a comparison test.
then when the new generation arrives they can lay accolade after accolade on the latest and greatest corvette..
nothing new..its just what the auto journalists do...
10-23-2018, 10:25 PM
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10-23-2018, 11:15 PM
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Taking a quick look at his biography, I would say that the reality is Randy Pobst works WITH Motor Trend vice working for them. His professional record away from Motor Trend tells me this is just a way to stay in the car world and get to drive ALL the different cars that are available. So just what is your post saying?
By the way, this is a cut and past from his twitter page. "Motor Trend track tester, 90 pro road race wins plus. Porsche, Audi, Mazda and Volvo factory driver. But really, I'm a motorcycle man" Using your train of thought, he works for not only Motor Trend but also Porsche, Audi, Mazda and Volvo. And why do you suppose that is?
By the way, this is a cut and past from his twitter page. "Motor Trend track tester, 90 pro road race wins plus. Porsche, Audi, Mazda and Volvo factory driver. But really, I'm a motorcycle man" Using your train of thought, he works for not only Motor Trend but also Porsche, Audi, Mazda and Volvo. And why do you suppose that is?
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10-23-2018, 11:25 PM
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Melting Slicks
I was at the Motor Trend test. Porsche was using the special race rubber(non stock race rubber) that was also used on the Nurburgring run. The GT2 RS, 720S, and Lambo were all using their special rubber and the ZR1 was using their standard stock runflat tire. The ZR1 was the only one of the four cars using runflats in the test. Pobst also turned off the nannies on the ZR1 but left them on for the other three cars. Strange !!! Porsche's tires are not available for sale on the GT2 RS production car. They will evidently be available aftermarket in time. The whole test was strange in how they portrayed the outcome.
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10-23-2018, 11:28 PM
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You just pulling this stat out of your *** or do you have facts to prove this statement?
Once again another drunkard on Corvette Kool Aid can't admit that there actually is a car out there that out performs the best Corvette yet.
As far as the price difference between the Z and GT2, who exactly started this thread? Here's a hint, don't bring a knife to a gun fight, if you don't like the answer to the question don't ask the question in the first place, simple. If you wanna participate in a thread comparing a 911 to a Corvette be prepared to not like the facts, again, really simple.
Once again another drunkard on Corvette Kool Aid can't admit that there actually is a car out there that out performs the best Corvette yet.
As far as the price difference between the Z and GT2, who exactly started this thread? Here's a hint, don't bring a knife to a gun fight, if you don't like the answer to the question don't ask the question in the first place, simple. If you wanna participate in a thread comparing a 911 to a Corvette be prepared to not like the facts, again, really simple.
10-23-2018, 11:34 PM
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I was at the Motor Trend test. Porsche was using the special race rubber(non stock race rubber) that was also used on the Nurburgring run. The GT2 RS, 720S, and Lambo were all using their special rubber and the ZR1 was using their standard stock runflat tire. The ZR1 was the only one of the four cars using runflats in the test. Pobst also turned off the nannies on the ZR1 but left them on for the other three cars. Strange !!! Porsche's tires are not available for sale on the GT2 RS production car. They will evidently be available aftermarket in time. The whole test was strange in how they portrayed the outcome.