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I definitely wouldn't call the C7 bland. I think it's a big improvement over the previous generation Corvettes. The Cayman GT4 looks sexy IMHO. The rest of the Caymans and the 718's are bland though. Same with the 911's. The GT3, GT3RS, and GT2RS all look great, but the rest of them look bland. I'm hoping the C8 doesn't disappoint in the looks department. The biggest detriment to the C7 is the interior.
Having owned a 986, Id say this is the counter argument if you’re looking at a ME Porsche (unless 918 or Carrera GT)!
I've used to have a boxster S (986) way back while I was in the UK and loved it but had to sell it when i came to the US. Tried buying another one from the local porsche dealer (with cash) and they were supremely rude and arrogant and so i went across the street to buy my first corvette (c5). Been buying corvettes ever since all the way to my current c7 z06. Every few years when I decide to update my current corvette I always look at the alternatives (Porsche, MB GT, R8, etc) and always end up back with the corvette due to the great performance at a reasonable cost and good enough comfort (and I do like the more advanced electronic features like the HUD which is a must have). Reliability (and easy servicing) and a factor too since my corvette is my daily driver (except when it snows or gets too cold for the tires)
Yes, looks are subjective but unfortunately the generation after my boxster went more retro which in just my opinion was not good looking, particularly the front end and the bulging headlights (froggy look). My wife is NOT a car person (though she has now learnt a lot more about cars than she ever wanted) but she also thinks my corvette is much nicer looking than most Porsches.
Eagerly waiting for more information on the C8 since that is about the time I would update my z06. But as usual I will look at all the options so if the C8 cost and performance are much closer to other 2 seat sports cars then it will be a more even playing field for my choice and dont know which way I will jump.
WHY?
In a sports car market context the horsepower train left the station a while ago and IMHO talking "refinement", "prestige" and "tradition" in 2018 in sport automotive is akin to tout the days of PC 286 architecture in microcomputing.
Go ahead make my day and tell me you can walk out of the lot with a 350HP 718 S for less than 85K (with seats and steering wheel alas a decently optioned vehicle) or for that matter with a 370HP base/base/base 911 for less that 100K!
Good cars both! but either the cars are obsolete OR the prices are OBSOLETE no way around it...
They're all apples and oranges comparisons because of price. If you want an accurate comparison based on actual retail purchase prices, you have to compare a non-Z07 Grand Sport with a Cayman or a non-Z07 Z06 with a Cayman S. Forget 911s.
To me, that's the problem with Porsches; they all look the same to me (other than the red racing stripes are a bit cheesy ). Year after year, model after model, same ****, different day. I actually like Porsches, and owned a 911T many years ago, but the mindnumbing sameness gets old. I'm not sure how this is bland:
But this is not:
Neither look bland... both look awesome to me! They are different experiences, however. The GT4 is a scalpel... very light, very direct and amazing balance. The C7 is a bigger car and feels like it but more power while still handling really well. I love the experience having owned both. I could be happy having each in my garage if my wife would not divorce me. Here's hoping the C8 delivers some more of the GT4 driving feeling and chassis balance while maintaining the hammer aspect of the C7... then I'd only need one car
It's not a Porsche vs. Chev cheese competition... both cars will build to owner specs. Some owners just choose cheesier options than others... but that is COMPLETELY subjective too because those folks obviously love it Having said that, a black stripe on the side is lower on the cheese scale if you ask me ... but I don't personally like it either
Why would I not buy a Porsche? It's cliche. Yes, they have great performance, but you look silly driving a stretched VW bug. As a born and raised American, I want something mean looking. I want something incredibly powerful, hence my recent infatuation with Dodge Demon, McClaren 720 and Nismo Nissan GTR. My hold up with these other cars is either they don't turn(looking at you Dodge) or they are not American made. Sorry foreign car companies, but I want American muscle and stylings. I personally love the look of the C8R. I more than happy to drop 100k+ on this car. I also have many of my coworkers excited about it as well. We have someone on our team who owns a porsche and even he is excited, so that tells you something. Rick Conti has it right, there are a whole of lot of us 35-45 year old engineers looking forward to this next generation of Corvette.
StViperVette
PS: This will be my first Vette and I am totally geeked out about it
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911 Turbo was one of the most fun cars I have ever driven. Still couldn't see myself owning one though. They just seem feminine(for lack of a better word) in comparison to the Vette. I don't think they look the part, and as crazy fast as they are on a track when I think Porsche I can't help but picture them parked outside a coffee shop on a cobblestone road vs when I think Corvette it is shredding tires and making a racket.
Maybe if I could afford a bunch of cars I would have one as an autocross toy, but I feel the Vette is one of the nicest cars you can buy that you can still drive every day and not feel bad. Not to mention I'm just gonna go ahead and say it...I'll take "old guy" stigma over "d-bag" stigma any day of the week . No offense to any owners, they are awesome cars just - not for me!
The Porsche to me is just a glorified Volkswagen...
If this same question was asked about the C8 on a Porsche forum, I'm sure there would likely be similarly biased responses about the Corvette. That's OK. Very few people have owned and really driven both.
Porsche is about as far from a glorified Volkswagen as a Corvette is from being a gloried Chevy Cavalier. In this world of luxury touring cars being made into sports cars (BMW M, Lexus IS, Audi RS, MB AMG), the wonderful thing about BOTH the Corvette and Porsche is they are built from the ground up to be a different and more pure experience and it shows... for both.
People should like what they like but anyone throwing insults at either of these cars just lacks appreciation for what they actually are and is the truest definition of an uneducated fanboy.
I bought a 2016 GT4 a month ago... love the car and it's the best performance vehicle I've owned. Sounds fantastic. Feels incredibly light. Great steering. Grips very well and is very balanced in handling. Best 6MT that I've experienced. Build quality is stellar.
Having said all of that, I'll likely still sell it and buy a C8 after a year or two. Porsches really hold value well (especially GT cars). Makes ownership not all that expensive. However, if the C8 is everything I hope it will be, I'll want that car if for no other reason as it will be a new experience. I hope it feels as light and nimble as the GT4 because that is one of my favourite characteristics of the car. My fear is the C8 will be a very large (aka Aventador) car... if that's the case, I may not buy it. I'm hoping GM doesn't make it a big, heavy beast but I'm optimistic they will get it right and it will be fantastic. There is little doubt the C8 will outperform a lot (most) Porsches. The only question is will it deliver as good of a "feel" and experience. I hope so. In the interim, I get a ME car today that is simply an awesome driving experience... notably better than my previous M4, M3, M2 and C7 Z51.
Nice car made nicer. 500 hp would make it perfect.
I have owned both products many versions of Porsche, Corvette and other brands. Porsche is more refined even in their GT spec cars compared to anything from Corvette. The Corvette leans more to a muscle car feel with some refinements built in to it. If GM can bring up the refinement in the C8/ME and keep some of the muscle car feel, I think the Corvette team will have a very unique hit on their hands.
Turbo technology is helping the lower model Porsches like the Caymans and Carreras close the performance gap between the Vette. They never had that level of torque before.
The Porsche to me is just a glorified Volkswagen...
Originally Posted by gthal
Porsche is about as far from a glorified Volkswagen as a Corvette is from being a gloried Chevy Cavalier. In this world of luxury touring cars being made into sports cars (BMW M, Lexus IS, Audi RS, MB AMG), the wonderful thing about BOTH the Corvette and Porsche is they are built from the ground up to be a different and more pure experience and it shows... for both.
People should like what they like but anyone throwing insults at either of these cars just lacks appreciation for what they actually are and is the truest definition of an uneducated fanboy.
plus, a guy with a certain mustache and goosestep actually built the KdF factory that turned out the Beetles and Ferdinand Porsche’s creations ...in 1932... plus, Porsche is owned by Volkswagon, as are Audi, Bentley, etc.[correction : not bmw]
Originally Posted by Michael A
Some people might say the Corvette just has a glorified Silverado engine.
silverado comment is just reaching for a comeback... not a very good one.
true except a guy with a certain mustache and goosestep actually built the KdF factory that turned out the Beetles and Ferdinand Porsche’s creations ...in 1932.
Adolf and Ferdinand stole the design from Hans Ledwinka of Tatra cars.
Turbo technology is helping the lower model Porsches like the Caymans and Carreras close the performance gap between the Vette. They never had that level of torque before.
Turbos delivered the 911 base a "whooping 20HP (16 SAE)..and corresponding torque...so actually they installed turbos to lower displacement and save gas. For those that care (aka me) The abysmal gap in power and torque is still there..
08-25-2018, 02:23 PM
). Year after year, model after model, same ****, different day. I actually like Porsches, and owned a 911T many years ago, but the mindnumbing sameness gets old. I'm not sure how this is bland:
Having said that, a black stripe on the side is lower on the cheese scale if you ask me ... but I don't personally like it either 
. No offense to any owners, they are awesome cars just - not for me!
