firstvettesoon

IronV

You do realize that your insult for using the perfectly apt word "ad hominem" is, in fact, an ad hominem attack, yes?

ALSO. Please note the subtle distinction between criticizing the emerging design and criticizing speculation that ignores obvious and unchangeable realities. They're not the same.

This is a FORUM. Unlike a shocking number of you, I haven't insulted or abused anybody for merely expressing an opinion or the frequency with which they express it. If you all are as grievously pained by my benign comments as you seem, you take yourselves A LOT more seriously than I do me.

Oh well.

CorvettoBrando

I'm responding to this as a distraction, since my CLU student son elected to go roller skating with his friends rather than college night at The Borderline in Thousand Oaks. I may not be as cogent in my post as intended, so please bear with me. Difficult times...

I can see now how my "overall, enthusiastic tone" comment could be mis-red (I see you Shaka). Context: I check the various chat topics in the C8 forum because of my enthusiasm for the monumental C8 car coming, and appreciate that others are here with the same excitement. The general tone here for the ones looking to peel away the layers of camo, in speculation, is of excitement and enthusiasm, as much for the process we're engaged in as the actual car. This tone exists exclusive to a positive or negative opinion of the design cues. Why in general do most people click on and engage in the various C8 design discussions? Because they are excited about it. I did not mean, nor state, that the opinions on the design are positive overall. In other words (at the risk of redundancy), I was speaking in terms of the pragmatics of this C8 forum, (knowing your audience, and what will be acceptable by that audience when you enter the conversation) where most people are generally engaging in these discussions because of their enthusiasm for what's to come or what's to be uncovered. That may seem anecdotal to you, but such is the nature of pragmatics and conversational tone, which are no less important in community and communication than empirical statistics you mention. We can still be enthusiastic about the coming C8 without liking the design aesthetics. I have not divulged whether or not I agree with Iron V's opinion of the supposed design. That part doesn't matter. Debbie Downer appropriately describes Iron V's behavior. Lastly, your concession statement speaks to the heart of my issue with this member, if that was not made clear before.

IronV

First, very glad your boy is safe and sound. And certainly, that is a subject and issue that really is important as opposed to arguments about cars...

oregonsharkman

You know - from an outside perspective - all this bickering over the details of a camouflaged, yet to be revealed, might be a "C8" Corvette is WAY too much like my Facebook feed.

As a 2019 C7 GS owner, I will buy a Mid Engine C8 if it looks and performs better than my current Corvette. If it's $169,000 base, I will look into something else. If there is a next gen front engine Corvette, I will be interested. I am not interested in a Camaro or Mustang. If there is an all electric "E-ray" I will definitely have to test drive it.

All in all, It 's a great time to be a Corvette fan and buyer!

Dominic Sorresso

WICKEDFRC

The latest render above comparing the Pista to the C8 render is like comparing Red Delicious apples to rotten apples. The Ferrari door and air intake over the rear wheel looks flawless. The C8 door looks like a clusterfuck.

IronV

Note: I did not say this. But I admire his eloquence.

chazcron

elegant

CRABBYJ

Zaro Tundov

It's a render so it's only an approximation of the C8 door.

I love Ferraris but the Pista's side intakes aren't anything special IMO. They complement the car's form but it's obvious that style was secondary to wind tunnel design.

To make an air intake beautiful, original, and functional is highly difficult, especially now that there are decades of designs one must avoid stealing. I believe most folks will be shocked at how well the Corvette team fulfilled all three design goals.

firstvettesoon

kingpin111

I appreciate all the time and work you have put into this but this is far from impressive to me. Again I am not talking about the work you have done but the design just isn't doing anything for me.

Shrike6

chazcron

Understood. I appreciate you having an opinion AND commenting, even if you don't like it. I've been spinning around the model, inspecting it up close and in three dimensions finesssing the form as I go along, and the new mid engine "Corvette-ness" design language is starting to gel for me. Every render I've ever done is far surpassed by actual photos and videos. And photos and videos are far surpassed by seeing them in person.

kingpin111

I think my expectations are too high. I am truly expecting something Supercar like.
I've been hoping for this since I was a kid and saw the CERV III.
Yet every time there is a model change GM has given us mild reiterations of the base model.
I figured finally going ME things would be different.

Supermassive

Yeah they did that with the ZR1...where's the "beating a dead horse emoji" when you need it.

Supermassive

You probably are correct in the assumption that you set your expectations a bit too high. It's not impossible for GM to make a truly "supercar" look, as I assume you are referencing cars like the Ford GT and cars in that price range. The problem with designing a mass produced car, is that it has to be mass produced, so all those finicky bits that require fitting by hand add time to production. You also have to understand the constraints of the materials used to make the car, by using SMC for the body panels the molds have to meet certain design restrictions. Exotics get by these concessions by using vacuum formed carbon fiber composites in an autoclave, this allows for some seriously complex shapes and that "exotic" look, if you want to see just how intensive making those parts are, check out the Youtube series /INSIDE Koenigsegg, it is amazing how much effort goes into each part of their cars.

Honestly as long as the car doesn't look like the NSX or R8 and resembles the renderings chazcron is making, I'm sold. My reality is that the Corvette is a "supercar performance" car that makes concessions to bring that performance to those of us who can't spring for a $200k exotic.

kingpin111

Great post! I've been a lover of Corvettes since my Uncle rolled up in his yellow '77 Corvette when I was 5. As I got older it was still the greatest thing I had ever sat in. In the 90's he bought a TT 300zx and I was so sad to see the Vette go.
Through the years I always admired what GM could do with fat tires, fibreglass and a big motor that everyone kept saying was old school. In the back of my head though I was always thinking "You just wait Lambo & Ferrari until GM puts out the no hold barred Supervette to shut everyone up."
When I heard Mid Engine would be a reality I think as you say my brain took it too far.

Oh well, always a dreamer I guess.