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Old 12-05-2018, 05:41 PM
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I want a AWD ME all electric C8 powered by built in solar panels. The side scoops will have small wind generators built in to them to assist in recharging.

This model will be called the Electra Eel
You have great vision. Hire that man!!!
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True. The idea that Corvette is going to trash Stingray, Z06 and ZR1 in favor of Manta Ray, GT and GS is absurd on its face. The fact that some people here believe it is laughable.

I know, it's ridiculous. Just like posting here 20 times a day laying out GM's plans to continue building FE Corvettes alongside the new ME without any evidence or knowing anything...
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Originally Posted by supermetroid
I know, it's ridiculous. Just like posting here 20 times a day laying out GM's plans to continue building FE Corvettes alongside the new ME without any evidence or knowing anything...
And you actually do have real evidence and knowledge because you work for Corvette, right? You know nothing more than anyone else here but you feel entitled to demean anyone you disagree with. Thanks for that!
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
And you actually do have real evidence and knowledge because you work for Corvette, right? You know nothing more than anyone else here but you feel entitled to demean anyone you disagree with. Thanks for that!
That's my point, nobody knows lol. Yet you're here everyday laying out GM's plans for the Corvette and the new plant like you know for a fact there'll be a FE and ME simultaneously. I know you want an updated C7 platform with more power and a better transmission but saying it 30 times a day won't make it happen.
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
And you actually do have real evidence and knowledge because you work for Corvette, right? You know nothing more than anyone else here but you feel entitled to demean anyone you disagree with. Thanks for that!
You're describing your own behavior. That s EXACTLY what you do.

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Originally Posted by supermetroid
That's my point, nobody knows lol. Yet you're here everyday laying out GM's plans for the Corvette and the new plant like you know for a fact there'll be a FE and ME simultaneously. I know you want an updated C7 platform with more power and a better transmission but saying it 30 times a day won't make it happen.
And you know that the "Manta Ray" is going to be the only model made at BGA because making 30K units/year in a plant designed for 74K is how GM will increase profitability? Yup, could happen if those 30K units sell for triple the price of the C7s. I don't think so, but I am not an expert like you.
Old 12-05-2018, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mschuyler
You're describing your own behavior. That s EXACTLY what you do.
When did I demean you ? Show me the post.
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
And you know that the "Manta Ray" is going to be the only model made at BGA because making 30K units/year in a plant designed for 74K is how GM will increase profitability? Yup, could happen if those 30K units sell for triple the price of the C7s. I don't think so, but I am not an expert like you.
Do I know? No. Do you know? No. But you're in here every day peddling your ideas and dismissing everyone else's that has a differing opinion of yours. It's a lot of speculation here, but there's a lot more facts pointing towards there being a base model ME and not much evidence supporting your narrative.

I think making Corvette it's own brand is actually a good idea, but I also think it's a long way off and not ready for the next generation...
Old 12-05-2018, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
When did I demean you ? Show me the post.
I don't think I was demeaning towards you, you are in here A LOT telling everyone that there will be a FE and ME simultaneously without having a clue one way or another lol.
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Originally Posted by supermetroid
Do I know? No. Do you know? No. But you're in here every day peddling your ideas and dismissing everyone else's that has a differing opinion of yours. It's a lot of speculation here, but there's a lot more facts pointing towards there being a base model ME and not much evidence supporting your narrative.

I think making Corvette it's own brand is actually a good idea, but I also think it's a long way off and not ready for the next generation...
Simple question: Is the ME Corvette going to be the only vehicle made at BGA?
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
Simple question: Is the ME Corvette going to be the only vehicle made at BGA?
My guess: Yes. Maybe there'll be a Cadillac on the same platform, maybe not. Then of course the "ZO6" after a year or two and the "ZR1" the last 2-3 years of the line.
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Originally Posted by supermetroid
My guess: Yes. Maybe there'll be a Cadillac on the same platform, maybe not. Then of course the "ZO6" after a year or two and the "ZR1" the last 2-3 years of the line.
So a 74K unit/year plant, in which GM has just made $900 million worth of improvements, is going to produce 30K units/year when it needs to run at 80% of capacity to make a profit?

My guess is that business plan would not be approved by Mary Barra based on what she just did to other under-utilized plants. But I am not "close to the inside" of GM like Mr. unlimitedPower, so I can only rely on facts and logic.
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How do you know how many units they can make, need to sell, and how much profit they make per car?
Old 12-05-2018, 07:22 PM
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That was a fun video....the car looks awesome. The narrative was interesting and fun.

cant wait for the full reveal.
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Is it possible they have some C8 out in the open to maybe view from outside the plant? I live a hour away from BG. I'm almost tempted to take a drive out there to see if i catch one in the wild.

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Originally Posted by supermetroid
How do you know how many units they can make, need to sell, and how much profit they make per car?
LMC Automotive rated the capacity of the plant. 80% of capacity is the industry operating standard for profitability.
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Say, do any of you wise guys know what these things are? They are very heavy things with lots of rotational inertia. They rev up and down real slow. What happens to all that energy when you shift fast? Heh, what? Now marry these things to your fancy DCT thing and what do you have? Mmmnnn, that's what I thought. These things found on the cheap C8 will be the heaviest ever attached to a DCT, even heavier than F12's or LaFerrari's. OK, now drive it around town on a hot day below 20 mph for an hour or two. Careful what you wish for. You are going to have a new warning light on your dash, you know what it looks like and what it's for? Thought so.




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Old 12-05-2018, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
So a 74K unit/year plant, in which GM has just made $900 million worth of improvements, is going to produce 30K units/year when it needs to run at 80% of capacity to make a profit?

My guess is that business plan would not be approved by Mary Barra based on what she just did to other under-utilized plants. But I am not "close to the inside" of GM like Mr. unlimitedPower, so I can only rely on facts and logic.
$773 million invested at Bowling Green since 2015. Footnote https://media.gm.ca/media/us/en/gm/c...linggreen.html

Can't seem to find a production capacity figure for the present Bowling Green plant.
Do you have a reference for the 74K unit/year, PCMIII?
I'm curious.

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Vernon
$773 million invested at Bowling Green since 2015. Footnote https://media.gm.ca/media/us/en/gm/c...linggreen.html

Can't seem to find a production capacity figure for the present Bowling Green plant.
Do you have a reference for the 74K unit/year, PCMIII?
I'm curious.

Thanks.
"A Bowling Green, Kentucky, plant that builds the Chevrolet Corvette sports car works at just 27 percent of its potential output, according to LMC data." https://ca.reuters.com/article/busin...CN1NX1IP-OCABS

BGA is building 20k cars/year based on current sales which equates to 74,000 capacity. Spande, the plant manager, last April said BGA was building 368 units/week, so annual output may be 17K which would put the capacity at 63K units.

The bottom line is that BGA needs to produce a lot more vehicles to be profitable.
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
"A Bowling Green, Kentucky, plant that builds the Chevrolet Corvette sports car works at just 27 percent of its potential output, according to LMC data." https://ca.reuters.com/article/busin...CN1NX1IP-OCABS

BGA is building 20k cars/year based on current sales which equates to 74,000 capacity. Spande, the plant manager, last April said BGA was building 368 units/week, so annual output may be 17K which would put the capacity at 63K units.

The bottom line is that BGA needs to produce a lot more vehicles to be profitable.
Thank you.


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