Something tells me GM management has delayed the C8
12-08-2018, 07:14 AM
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I believe one of three things will happen here:
1. They will roll this thing out in Detroit as an eye popping surprise, like Ford did with the GT.
2. They will roll it out later in the year, or next, as they may be planning the build up strategy and tying up details on the car.
3. They will decide changing the Corvette is too big of risk, sweep the whole thing under the rug, and it will be another tale in the history of Corvette lore.
12-08-2018, 08:35 AM
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At the risk of my entire business I am compelled to disclose some inside information specifically addressing the current rumors and speculation surrounding the possible delays of the Corvette Manta Ray in hopes this will quell the possibility of any further significant distress and disappointment across the Corvette fan base and most importantly the membership herein.
There will be no delays of the new car and the launch will go on as planned and in the venue as has been previously selected. All testing has been completed and the car has surpassed all established benchmarks and expectations. In fact, it is so good any and all pre-announce marketing efforts have been placed on temporary hold until 45 days prior to the specified launch date. Hold onto your hats gentlemen and gentle ladies. The Eagle will be Landing soon.
There will be no delays of the new car and the launch will go on as planned and in the venue as has been previously selected. All testing has been completed and the car has surpassed all established benchmarks and expectations. In fact, it is so good any and all pre-announce marketing efforts have been placed on temporary hold until 45 days prior to the specified launch date. Hold onto your hats gentlemen and gentle ladies. The Eagle will be Landing soon.
I’m close enough to the inside to know the following about GM’s plans for the Corvette. I cannot reveal all I know without jeopardizing my business’s success, so please do not ask me to explain further, I will not answer. If you don’t believe me then that’s fine, I wouldn’t either if I was in your shoes, but I’m compelled to post now so there is less disappointment later when the Eagle has Landed.
12-08-2018, 09:45 AM
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Viper was never intended to make any money. It was a halo car. The car was a fantastic beast, the car equivalent of using a sledgehammer to drive a nail through a piece of cheese. Fantastic in every way, practical in none. It was meant to make us drool and get people in the door, nothing more. And it was great at it.
Completely agree that Corvette does not make much money for GM (if any) but the car serves the same purpose as the Viper. It is a brand image, and they will not get rid of it. The sinking of the Corvette would signal the sinking of GM as a company.
Completely agree that Corvette does not make much money for GM (if any) but the car serves the same purpose as the Viper. It is a brand image, and they will not get rid of it. The sinking of the Corvette would signal the sinking of GM as a company.
If Viper "was never intended to make any money", why did they stop making it (since it wasn't making money and didn't need to)? I mean, it's a "halo" car and I'm sure loads of folks walked in to see a Viper and walked out with a minivan. Viper is GONE because it did NOT pull it's weight, PERIOD.
FCA is NOT in the business of making cars that LOSE money. THAT is why the Viper is DEAD.
Jeez.
PS. The Audi R8 goes away in 2020. That's Audi's "Halo" car, and it sold a LOT better than the Viper (but obviously NOT well enough to stay alive). The R8 shares a good deal of it's construction with the Huracan, making it more profitable than the Viper ever could be. And yet...it's gone in a year and a half.
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12-08-2018, 09:58 AM
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Viper was never intended to make any money. It was a halo car. The car was a fantastic beast, the car equivalent of using a sledgehammer to drive a nail through a piece of cheese. Fantastic in every way, practical in none. It was meant to make us drool and get people in the door, nothing more. And it was great at it.
Completely agree that Corvette does not make much money for GM (if any) but the car serves the same purpose as the Viper. It is a brand image, and they will not get rid of it. The sinking of the Corvette would signal the sinking of GM as a company.
Completely agree that Corvette does not make much money for GM (if any) but the car serves the same purpose as the Viper. It is a brand image, and they will not get rid of it. The sinking of the Corvette would signal the sinking of GM as a company.
The Corvette is incredibly profitable for GM. During the bankruptcy reorg, the auditors concluded that Corvette was one of, if not the most profitable GM division. The difference between Corvette and Viper/Ford GT is that Corvette has always filled both halo car and profit center roles beautifully. That's why it's been here continuously for nearly 66 years and the others come and go.
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12-08-2018, 10:04 AM
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No spy shots for months.
No teasers.
8,000 white collar workers losing their jobs.
Five plant closures in the U.S. and Canada.
Talk of electrification being the future.
I don't know any more than anyone else here, but my intuition is I suspect GM management has put a wrench in the works of the C8. I recall the build-up to the C7, and this seems too quiet for a build-up to the C8. Based on past history, when things go bad at GM, sports cars suffer. GM is big on corporate edicts, too. All it takes is some corporate edict, such as electrification, to cause a full reset on the C8 project. The engineers would have to scramble around to meet the edict, and the car is delayed.
No teasers.
8,000 white collar workers losing their jobs.
Five plant closures in the U.S. and Canada.
Talk of electrification being the future.
I don't know any more than anyone else here, but my intuition is I suspect GM management has put a wrench in the works of the C8. I recall the build-up to the C7, and this seems too quiet for a build-up to the C8. Based on past history, when things go bad at GM, sports cars suffer. GM is big on corporate edicts, too. All it takes is some corporate edict, such as electrification, to cause a full reset on the C8 project. The engineers would have to scramble around to meet the edict, and the car is delayed.
That's my guess. Developing a totally different vehicle, which the C8 is, takes longer than a 42 minute 1 hour show on TV. Have patience, grasshopper.
12-08-2018, 10:05 AM
#66
Do you know/see unlimitedPOWER's post? Very similar writing style/sentiment...
I’m close enough to the inside to know the following about GM’s plans for the Corvette. I cannot reveal all I know without jeopardizing my business’s success, so please do not ask me to explain further, I will not answer. If you don’t believe me then that’s fine, I wouldn’t either if I was in your shoes, but I’m compelled to post now so there is less disappointment later when the Eagle has Landed.
I’m close enough to the inside to know the following about GM’s plans for the Corvette. I cannot reveal all I know without jeopardizing my business’s success, so please do not ask me to explain further, I will not answer. If you don’t believe me then that’s fine, I wouldn’t either if I was in your shoes, but I’m compelled to post now so there is less disappointment later when the Eagle has Landed.
LOL, not similar, identical. He copied the key parts of the OP to layout his prank post. However, I do believe the real OP knows pretty much exactly what's going to happen.
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12-08-2018, 10:34 AM
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Of course, the numbers are released every year and all over the internet. Link below shows Corvette sales from 1953-2017.
Corvette Numbers Since 1953-2017
Corvette Numbers Since 1953-2017
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12-08-2018, 11:56 AM
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Wrong, wrong, wrong regarding the part in bold above.
The Corvette is incredibly profitable for GM. During the bankruptcy reorg, the auditors concluded that Corvette was one of, if not the most profitable GM division. The difference between Corvette and Viper/Ford GT is that Corvette has always filled both halo car and profit center roles beautifully. That's why it's been here continuously for nearly 66 years and the others come and go.
The Corvette is incredibly profitable for GM. During the bankruptcy reorg, the auditors concluded that Corvette was one of, if not the most profitable GM division. The difference between Corvette and Viper/Ford GT is that Corvette has always filled both halo car and profit center roles beautifully. That's why it's been here continuously for nearly 66 years and the others come and go.
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12-08-2018, 12:28 PM
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Wrong, wrong, wrong regarding the part in bold above.
The Corvette is incredibly profitable for GM. During the bankruptcy reorg, the auditors concluded that Corvette was one of, if not the most profitable GM division. The difference between Corvette and Viper/Ford GT is that Corvette has always filled both halo car and profit center roles beautifully. That's why it's been here continuously for nearly 66 years and the others come and go.
The Corvette is incredibly profitable for GM. During the bankruptcy reorg, the auditors concluded that Corvette was one of, if not the most profitable GM division. The difference between Corvette and Viper/Ford GT is that Corvette has always filled both halo car and profit center roles beautifully. That's why it's been here continuously for nearly 66 years and the others come and go.
I don't know how this "Corvette doesn't make money" thing started....So, GM makes a model for 66 years, hoping it will be profitable one day?
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12-08-2018, 12:38 PM
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I know, it never ceases to boggle my mind how some people reach certain conclusions that completely defy logic.
12-08-2018, 02:46 PM
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If Viper "was never intended to make any money", why did they stop making it (since it wasn't making money and didn't need to)? I mean, it's a "halo" car and I'm sure loads of folks walked in to see a Viper and walked out with a minivan. Viper is GONE because it did NOT pull it's weight, PERIOD.
FCA is NOT in the business of making cars that LOSE money. THAT is why the Viper is DEAD.
Jeez.
FCA is NOT in the business of making cars that LOSE money. THAT is why the Viper is DEAD.
Jeez.
The Corvette is incredibly profitable for GM. During the bankruptcy reorg, the auditors concluded that Corvette was one of, if not the most profitable GM division. The difference between Corvette and Viper/Ford GT is that Corvette has always filled both halo car and profit center roles beautifully. That's why it's been here continuously for nearly 66 years and the others come and go.
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12-09-2018, 09:29 AM
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I agree but GM doesn't seem to understand that in 2018 people communicate instantly and they haven't even ACKNOWLEDGED THE CAR./ SOMEONE ANYONE EXPLAIN THAT. So we're gonna be "wow they have a new CORVETTE.I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WOW"
12-09-2018, 10:03 AM
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I think there is a difference between “ not making money”. And loosing money. Breaking even is ok. ( for a advertisement billboard halo car ) Loosing (a lot of ) money is not.
As a brand attraction and flagship Corvette not only “sells” well but also attracts customers to other GM products. Ford GT May also to a lesser degree only due to the cost but I don’t think there is one in every Ford dealer to draw attention. Could be wrong.
Viper , to me, never felt like a “Dodge” and always felt like a separate brand. Not sure if it brought people to Dodge like Corvette does for GM. Also, a brand needs to have other offerings that are respectable enough to buy in lieu of a Halo car IMO. If the other offerings are duds, the customer walks anyway.
The halo halo car is the sparkly thing in the window. The candy that brings attention to the brand but ya still need the meat and potatoes.
Crap... now I’m hungry...
As a brand attraction and flagship Corvette not only “sells” well but also attracts customers to other GM products. Ford GT May also to a lesser degree only due to the cost but I don’t think there is one in every Ford dealer to draw attention. Could be wrong.
Viper , to me, never felt like a “Dodge” and always felt like a separate brand. Not sure if it brought people to Dodge like Corvette does for GM. Also, a brand needs to have other offerings that are respectable enough to buy in lieu of a Halo car IMO. If the other offerings are duds, the customer walks anyway.
The halo halo car is the sparkly thing in the window. The candy that brings attention to the brand but ya still need the meat and potatoes.
Crap... now I’m hungry...
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12-09-2018, 06:17 PM
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12-10-2018, 12:21 AM
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After some more thought, it just makes more and more sense that GM would delay the C8 introduction. There is a huge amount of bad press about the plant closings and layoffs. The issue has turned political from both sides of the aisle. It has sent shock waves through the stock market. The UAW contract expires in September 2019. This bad press is likely to go on for months. Not a great time to introduces a new sports car with a lot of fanfare and jubilation.
Add to this that GM has said they are going "all in" on electrification, it would not be a good time for them to say, "And by the way here is our new 500 hp V8 powered sports car." They will have to let this die down. I would not be surprised to see the C8 delayed, and they make it a 2021 model. They may skip a year just like they did 1982 to 1984.
Add to this that GM has said they are going "all in" on electrification, it would not be a good time for them to say, "And by the way here is our new 500 hp V8 powered sports car." They will have to let this die down. I would not be surprised to see the C8 delayed, and they make it a 2021 model. They may skip a year just like they did 1982 to 1984.
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12-10-2018, 12:33 AM
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After some more thought, it just makes more and more sense that GM would delay the C8 introduction. There is a huge amount of bad press about the plant closings and layoffs. This bad press is likely to go on for months. Not a great time to introduces a new sports car with a lot of fanfare and jubilation.
If America has learned ANYTHING in the last 2 years it is when bad news strikes the way to deal with it is to distract and change the subject.
It's a lesson that we shouldn't have needed demonstrated, but modern Americans are poor students of history.
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12-10-2018, 12:59 AM
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Respectfully disagree, Michael...
If America has learned ANYTHING in the last 2 years it is when bad news strikes the way to deal with it is to distract and change the subject.
It's a lesson that we shouldn't have needed demonstrated, but modern Americans are poor students of history.
If America has learned ANYTHING in the last 2 years it is when bad news strikes the way to deal with it is to distract and change the subject.
It's a lesson that we shouldn't have needed demonstrated, but modern Americans are poor students of history.
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12-10-2018, 03:28 PM
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I'll promise you when GM is ready, you will see MORE stuff about the car then you want to.
PS. The political grandstanding is already over...they all got their righteous indignation lathered up, gave impassioned speeches to THEIR followers, and now, they're on to other stuff. 24 hour news tends to make for a very short shelf life of stuff like plant closings.
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