Employee discounts have been slowly drying up over recent years about 9% now and is usually easy to beat with year end savings at most dealers

 

That depends on your dealer. My local Chevy dealer provides a loaner if the car will need to stay overnight (or more). If a single day thing, they provide courtesy transportation both ways.

 

Thanks, something I will ask about when the time comes.

 

You asked specifically about 911 sales. I gave you the most recent numbers I could find. If you found more recent numbers, good for you. (OBTW your listing of a string of numbers tells us nothing without telling us what those numbers represent).
Secondly, the 992 hasn't even released to the US at this time so scratching my head where you got your info. Unlike my numbers, you have no reference stating the trending is -27%. The only thing I can think of is that they are numbers for Europe and other countries where the 992 may be currently available to buy. And whether or not the 911, much less the 992 is selling more or less than the C7 wasn't even part of this discussion initially.
Lastly, you are here as much as I am, you have seen the reports that the C7 is now getting significant discounts because dealers are trying to sell them and clear the lot for the C8. Yes, the C7 sales are slowing. Do you have numbers saying otherwise? Would like to see them, with references.

Please stick to the initial items you brought up in post # 118. Keep it simple please for my simple mind.

 

Context here is post #118 and the wrong use of facts, numbers, and events to mischaracterize reality. In post #118 I replied to the claim (and mischaracterization) that five years ago Porsche recalled all the GT3s because of a faulty rod bolt on TWO cars. I distinctly remember this car recall being mis represented as an example of Porsche's great customer service vis a vis the alleged C6 Z06 valve guides defects. Something to the effect of "HOLY" Porsche recalls all GT3 cars for just two simple faulty rod bolts..

REALITY is the GT3s were recalled because they caught on fire! Simple as that: the way you like it.

Your 911 numbers and mischaracterization... Here you failed to disclose (maybe unintentionally) that Panorama is comparing 2018 US only sales numbers with 2019 consolidated North American numbers. Since mid 2018 Porsche reports only consolidated numbers for NA (Canada+USA+Mexico+other).
So simply put Panorama is comparing apples to oranges to portray (again mischaracterize) a 7.1% YoY growth when in reality when comparing apples to apples (country to country) the numbers are in negative territory.

Finally, the -27% is a rough (on the fly) approximation of 2019 YoY to date. It includes 992 sales which started invoicing in October 2018 as well as North American (to include USA) 992s which started invoicing in March 2019.

I'll gladly entertain more exact numbers from you if properly disclosed.

Cheers.

EDIT to add accuracy and sources on Porsche 911 sales 2018 - 2019 YoY

Sources Car sales base: http://carsalesbase.com/european-car...e/porsche-911/
and good car bad car sales statistics: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...sales-figures/

Jan 19 - May 19 sales -28.5% compared to Jan 18 - May 18



Additional edit to include 911 (992) June 2019 WW numbers:

Sources Car sales base: http://carsalesbase.com/european-car...e/porsche-911/
and good car bad car sales statistics: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...sales-figures/

Jan 19 - June 19 sales -39% compared to Jan 18 - June 19

 

That's interesting and this is purely a question: if you're an hour away from a brand that has about 3,000 dealers, what new car with a dealer nearby do you buy?

Note: Just for context, I once asked my friend who bought that very expensive luxo all-electric car what he would do if it broke down in his city and the nearest dealer is 100 miles away---which it is? His answer was he "thought" the brand had a policy of picking up the car and transporting it to their repair dealership. This was also a "used" car that he got from the dealer. I hoped then that he'd never have to test his "thought" on what the dealer would do.

 

No thanks, you made your point as I did mine. Have a good day.

 

My post was predicated on the fact that my other cars, bought in the same city, DO have loaner cars and I did not believe Chevy would have them. If they do that sheds a whole new light on things. Won't know until I ask.

 

 

My 2014 Z51 was built within the first 2 weeks of production, and the clutch was replaced at 11k miles. It occasionally made a squealing sound, but otherwise it worked fine. The dealer took no chances and replaced the entire clutch assembly under warranty. Otherwise, the car has been trouble-free for 5 1/2 years. I've only put 16k miles on it, but I think any issues that might have come up would have already happened. With all the computer testing and engineering tolerances I think new cars are much better than they used to be. I also purchased a 2005 Porsche 991 Carrera in its first model year and had no issues in the many years I had it. So, no hesitation on a first year model for me.

BTW, I remember my dad shopping for new cars decades ago, and right on the window sticker it stated the day of the week the car was produced. The notion being you never wanted to buy a car that was made on a Monday.

 

Absolutely! My first C5 Z06 was lined up for an engine overhaul before I made the first payment. I will have a C8, but I will not be a beta tester again... BTW, the C5 Z06 got *** ended by a DuPont 18 wheeler in stop and go traffic before the engine came out. Bent the frame...

 

Exactly 737 max case in point. No I would never own a first year GM anything.

 

It is not only the 1st year of a new gen car, but a revolutionary change to the chassis, frame, subframe components and so on. I'll wait...

 

I have the first year of the C6, 2005 model, built November 2004.

Things that Chevy fixed the second year (2006) included:

1) Column Lock security.... mine failed after a few years... removed it myself, and installed a bypass unit
2) Rear transaxle was weak first year. Chevy strengthened it up significantly in 2006+

I've broken one axle in the past 14 years... $1000 repair. The only time its been in the shop for a repair, really. Very happy with my first year Z51 optioned C6.

/R
Doc Rings

 

I bought a first year 1964 Pontiac GTO Vert, a 1968 Plymouth Roadrunner, a 1977 Ford T Bird, a 1980 Chevrolet Citation, a 1990 Ford Thunderbird Super Coupe, a 2014 Corvette Stingray. On all my other cars I bought one usually at least 2 years into their model run and with all the first year cars, the only one that sucked was the '77 T Bird and that was really just the fact that no cars were worth a hoot in the mid 70's to the 80's. All the rest were excellent so I for one am not afraid of getting a first year. Of all mentioned they were excellent and my '14 Vette is the best car I've ever owned...so far.

 

First year cars don't worry me any more than buying used cars out of warranty. Any car can break down at any time.

However, I wouldn't be interested in buying a first year C8 since I want to see what they do with the upcoming higher hp versions. Though I am looking forward to the reveal on the 18th.

 

Too many unfulfilled rumors flying around to be definitively one way or the other on the first year C8.

However, if you can believe the most popular rumors, it's a first year pass, at this time. Rumors of more power, a manual transmission, and more model and engine/power plant choices down the line, make it a good decision to give it time to play out. A much more informed decision can be made later on.

 

Easy fix! Biy it now and when and if something comes out better trade it in and buy the newer/better version...you only live once! Play hard!

 

I flew the MAX and would do it again right now if I was allowed! You give bucket Chitters something they dont understand and you get dead people it's that simple! Never! Never release the trim switch without shutting off the pitch trim switches on the pedestal...if you traine on a system and understand it you dont die! 200 hr pilots dont belong in the MAX or any airplane carrying passengers...ok now back to the C8...I decide I'm buying one ASAP and trading that in when the Z06 becomes available...peace out!