Does GM have the the cojones to...
#1
Does GM have the the cojones to...
This recent revelation that GM is having problems validating the C8 electrical system piqued my interest - why would a company that has been building cars for over 100 years have issues?
The answer could be that it is going to a 48V system. Seems to be all the rage - everyone is doing it.
But why would they do it? If they went total F1 with KERS and MGU- H - I would be tripping major nut-sack (think La Ferrari)
A hybrid with 2 electric motors akin to the Porsche 918 would also be nice -
or a twin turbo like the Mclaren P1 would show the Europeans some taillights come track day.
Whatever the reason is, I know Corvette has the talent to conceive it - the problem is - and always has been - getting the concept into production...
The answer could be that it is going to a 48V system. Seems to be all the rage - everyone is doing it.
But why would they do it? If they went total F1 with KERS and MGU- H - I would be tripping major nut-sack (think La Ferrari)
A hybrid with 2 electric motors akin to the Porsche 918 would also be nice -
or a twin turbo like the Mclaren P1 would show the Europeans some taillights come track day.
Whatever the reason is, I know Corvette has the talent to conceive it - the problem is - and always has been - getting the concept into production...
#3
Melting Slicks
Having spent a career in product design and development, at every failed test, someone would say "THATS WHY WE BUILD PROTOTYPES"
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#4
Melting Slicks
This recent revelation that GM is having problems validating the C8 electrical system piqued my interest - why would a company that has been building cars for over 100 years have issues?
The answer could be that it is going to a 48V system. Seems to be all the rage - everyone is doing it.
But why would they do it? If they went total F1 with KERS and MGU- H - I would be tripping major nut-sack (think La Ferrari)
A hybrid with 2 electric motors akin to the Porsche 918 would also be nice -
or a twin turbo like the Mclaren P1 would show the Europeans some taillights come track day.
Whatever the reason is, I know Corvette has the talent to conceive it - the problem is - and always has been - getting the concept into production...
The answer could be that it is going to a 48V system. Seems to be all the rage - everyone is doing it.
But why would they do it? If they went total F1 with KERS and MGU- H - I would be tripping major nut-sack (think La Ferrari)
A hybrid with 2 electric motors akin to the Porsche 918 would also be nice -
or a twin turbo like the Mclaren P1 would show the Europeans some taillights come track day.
Whatever the reason is, I know Corvette has the talent to conceive it - the problem is - and always has been - getting the concept into production...
So, according to this logic, every company that's been around for 100 years does not make mistakes and has every project go according to plan. Must be nice in your world!
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This recent revelation that GM is having problems validating the C8 electrical system piqued my interest - why would a company that has been building cars for over 100 years have issues?
The answer could be that it is going to a 48V system. Seems to be all the rage - everyone is doing it.
But why would they do it? If they went total F1 with KERS and MGU- H - I would be tripping major nut-sack (think La Ferrari)
A hybrid with 2 electric motors akin to the Porsche 918 would also be nice -
or a twin turbo like the Mclaren P1 would show the Europeans some taillights come track day.
Whatever the reason is, I know Corvette has the talent to conceive it - the problem is - and always has been - getting the concept into production...
The answer could be that it is going to a 48V system. Seems to be all the rage - everyone is doing it.
But why would they do it? If they went total F1 with KERS and MGU- H - I would be tripping major nut-sack (think La Ferrari)
A hybrid with 2 electric motors akin to the Porsche 918 would also be nice -
or a twin turbo like the Mclaren P1 would show the Europeans some taillights come track day.
Whatever the reason is, I know Corvette has the talent to conceive it - the problem is - and always has been - getting the concept into production...
So, new chassis, new engine, new engine location, new composites, new regs, new trans, new tech----d'ya think someone, somewhere might encounter a few late-stage issues?
I would certainly think so. After all, Ford had been building cars since '03 (that's 1903) before they came out with the poor Pinto in '70
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#6
Drifting
Go talk to anyone who has had a ground problem with a C5.
Then look at the stupid way the grounding was done.
Electrical problems became worse as nobody at GM understood instrumentation of low level analog signals.
Then look at the stupid way the grounding was done.
Electrical problems became worse as nobody at GM understood instrumentation of low level analog signals.
#8
To everyone who responded - please google the term "rhetorical question"
To everyone else - no GM is not perfect - far from it. But to delay the launch by 6 months IS significant, and my fevered mind instantly leapt to the attributes I would like the C8 to have.
While the European exotics are nice, I neither have the money or the inclination to own one and to me, the Corvette is the "working man's supercar"
To everyone else - no GM is not perfect - far from it. But to delay the launch by 6 months IS significant, and my fevered mind instantly leapt to the attributes I would like the C8 to have.
While the European exotics are nice, I neither have the money or the inclination to own one and to me, the Corvette is the "working man's supercar"
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#9
If you didn’t want replies you should have titled the thread “ A Statement by Myc7z51. ; )
Happy holidays to all !
Happy holidays to all !
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#10
I actually think the delay is BS. I think they are trying to give dealers a little more time to sell the ZR1s. Many have "market adjustment" mark ups and the dealers won't get them if the C8 is publicly announced in Jan. So IMO its more likely GM is giving the dealer network a bit more time to get rid of current ZR1 inventory, because if you have $135k+ or more for a ZR1, why not wait 6-12 months for the $150k+ highest performing C8????
#11
Rhetorical Question?
To everyone who responded - please google the term "rhetorical question"
To everyone else - no GM is not perfect - far from it. But to delay the launch by 6 months IS significant, and my fevered mind instantly leapt to the attributes I would like the C8 to have.
While the European exotics are nice, I neither have the money or the inclination to own one and to me, the Corvette is the "working man's supercar"
To everyone else - no GM is not perfect - far from it. But to delay the launch by 6 months IS significant, and my fevered mind instantly leapt to the attributes I would like the C8 to have.
While the European exotics are nice, I neither have the money or the inclination to own one and to me, the Corvette is the "working man's supercar"
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To everyone who responded - please google the term "rhetorical question"
To everyone else - no GM is not perfect - far from it. But to delay the launch by 6 months IS significant, and my fevered mind instantly leapt to the attributes I would like the C8 to have.
While the European exotics are nice, I neither have the money or the inclination to own one and to me, the Corvette is the "working man's supercar"
To everyone else - no GM is not perfect - far from it. But to delay the launch by 6 months IS significant, and my fevered mind instantly leapt to the attributes I would like the C8 to have.
While the European exotics are nice, I neither have the money or the inclination to own one and to me, the Corvette is the "working man's supercar"
#13
Burning Brakes
Your not getting P1 or any other supercar tech for 60k. Much less the power, braking, interior quality.
anyone thinking this is not living in reality. I love all the folks dreaming their gonna buy a supercar for 60k.
anyone thinking this is not living in reality. I love all the folks dreaming their gonna buy a supercar for 60k.
#14
Le Mans Master
#15
Doesn't anybody remember the story of Max Balchowsky and Old Yellar? He took parts from various donor cars and built maybe the ugliest race car that has ever been seen, then beat the Ferraris, Maseratis, and whatever else was coming from Europe. Maybe the C8 won't be the chick magnets that the ultra expensive supercars are, but that doesn't mean that it can't keep pace with or even outperform the exotics.
#16
Edit: Thats why I think the C8 will push $100k because it’s a completely redesigned car from the ground up. If GM wanted something similar in performance & price to the C7 the they would just slap a new body on the current RWD chassis & call it a day.
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#17
Race Director
That is what the C5 was, all new from the ground up. Only parts bin part was the door handle and maybe the lug nuts. There was not a significant increase in price then ($37,225 to $37,495)
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#18
This recent revelation that GM is having problems validating the C8 electrical system piqued my interest - why would a company that has been building cars for over 100 years have issues?
The answer could be that it is going to a 48V system. Seems to be all the rage - everyone is doing it.
But why would they do it? If they went total F1 with KERS and MGU- H - I would be tripping major nut-sack (think La Ferrari)
A hybrid with 2 electric motors akin to the Porsche 918 would also be nice -
or a twin turbo like the Mclaren P1 would show the Europeans some taillights come track day.
Whatever the reason is, I know Corvette has the talent to conceive it - the problem is - and always has been - getting the concept into production...
The answer could be that it is going to a 48V system. Seems to be all the rage - everyone is doing it.
But why would they do it? If they went total F1 with KERS and MGU- H - I would be tripping major nut-sack (think La Ferrari)
A hybrid with 2 electric motors akin to the Porsche 918 would also be nice -
or a twin turbo like the Mclaren P1 would show the Europeans some taillights come track day.
Whatever the reason is, I know Corvette has the talent to conceive it - the problem is - and always has been - getting the concept into production...
#19
Le Mans Master
To everyone making points about the brakes... the most recent mule shots don't seem to be the typical shiny steel rotors. Could just have a higher carbon content or its the lighting.
Probably won't be in hyper car territory but it should be one hell of a performer. GM can't price themselves out of their own market so keep that in mind when guessing prices. Just saying. Base trim will be in Z06 territory most likely as that has been the trend with the last few generations.
Probably won't be in hyper car territory but it should be one hell of a performer. GM can't price themselves out of their own market so keep that in mind when guessing prices. Just saying. Base trim will be in Z06 territory most likely as that has been the trend with the last few generations.
#20
Le Mans Master
If the topic is about them incorporating a hybrid system similar to those used in other sports cars, then I think, at some point they will. At some higher end performance and trim level they will, they'll really have to if the horsepower and torque goals keep moving north.
If the topic of this thread is about the "delay", well, there is no "delay" because, officially, there is no mid engine Corvette. GM hasn't even acknowledged the car, much less set a reveal date to "miss". The car is still in the R&D phase, and this phase could be another six months, or six years. The "delay" rumor was nothing more than a "click bait" headline from a non GM affiliated web site to keep advertising revenue flowing. I just don't understand how so many intelligent individuals can just accept this click bait as fact, when in reality there simply are no "facts" about this alleged car at this point.
Personally, I'm still leaning that GM isn't going to tease, or even reference this thing until they just drop in on the public stage. Whether that stage be Detroit or New York. But then, who knows? Oh yeah, no one, that's who, except for those in the inner circle of trust at GM.
If the topic of this thread is about the "delay", well, there is no "delay" because, officially, there is no mid engine Corvette. GM hasn't even acknowledged the car, much less set a reveal date to "miss". The car is still in the R&D phase, and this phase could be another six months, or six years. The "delay" rumor was nothing more than a "click bait" headline from a non GM affiliated web site to keep advertising revenue flowing. I just don't understand how so many intelligent individuals can just accept this click bait as fact, when in reality there simply are no "facts" about this alleged car at this point.
Personally, I'm still leaning that GM isn't going to tease, or even reference this thing until they just drop in on the public stage. Whether that stage be Detroit or New York. But then, who knows? Oh yeah, no one, that's who, except for those in the inner circle of trust at GM.