SBC_and_a_stick

That's not what I said. The GT3 RS is not turbo. There are much better sticks than the Corvette ones.

I'd say manual is fun first and foremost. Someone that can wield a stick properly with perfect rev match and not miss a gear for a whole track day is 99.99% of the time a great driver. Such a driver can jump into any of these DCT cars with TC and AH and put down fast laps. Someone that's only driven DCT cars with TC and AH will be 100% a terrible stick driver. It takes weeks for work for even the best drivers to master rev matching and there is an adjustment period for every car after that.

BEAR-AvHistory

Problem with that is everyone on the internet who drives a stick is a wonderful driver, just ask them. If they were all hanging out in a bar you would need hip boots to deal with the claims. Also true a wonderful driver in a 7DCT car would also have a 99.9% chance of hosing the wonderful stick driver in a similar 6MT car.

Issue is not that its fun, drive a fun car most days, its the built in pretentious superiority of most MT drives on any car forum you might want to read.

thebishman

painexpert

My 2018 Porsche GT3 shifting at 9000 RPM and wailing liked a "raped ape" is good enough for me !!!!!

RapidC84B

I love my C7 with auto-rev match on track. So much such that I'm making it a track car and getting a C5 vert for the street to cruise.

I'm hoping the C8 comes with a stick... I'll take a C8 spyder with a NA V8 and a stick shift.

SBC_and_a_stick

Whenever I forget what an opinion is I always come back to the corvette forum. This place really defines it for me. Of all forums that define opinions the best one is...umm...wait I don't have an opinion about that. Checking below...yep, still have an ****-hole.

Many manufacturers will disagree with my opinion. For example, McLaren only makes turbo cars so I'm guessing they say turbo is the future. Ferrari makes, oh wait, both turbo and naturally aspirated engines. What's their opinion again?

HMDS

I don't get out much so forgive this question.

Is there another manufacturer among those listed beside porche that offers dct and manual in the same model.

I hope that Chevy puts a manual back in at some point, as porshe did - maybe for the hot rod version - but I fear it may not be possible with space/layout constraints.

ltomn

Your only problem is you assume that everyone that buys one of these cars wants to take it to the track. There is a major percentage of present and future owners that have no desire to do that and a DCT will serve them with utmost efficiency.

JoesC5

Porsche's manual and PDK are both supplied by ZF and many of the internal components are the same, so space/layout constraints are not a factor, if one plans ahead.

JoesC5

Ultra high percentage. Most won't give a **** if a mid engine Corvette with a DCT will go around a 3 mile track 0.00001 seconds quicker than a front engine Corvette with an A8 or a M7. Most of the talk about the mid engine/DCT superiority is nothing but bench racing for the 10 year old's on this forum.

SBC_and_a_stick

In this list you can see two cars that came stick: Lambo Gallardo 550-2, and the Porsche GT3 (but not the RS model). The Gallardo has been replaced by the Huracan model circa 2014, which is DCT only.

I evaluated the cars based on mixed track/street use. That's why I prefer the Lambo V10 over the GT3, because for street use I think the Lambos sound better at any throttle position. The body shape is also more to my liking. On track with the flat 6 on full boil the GT3 sounds fantastic and looks don't matter. I'd say for purely track use I'd change my choice to GT3. I wouldn't use any of them on track to be honest, I'm a big fan of ultra lights for track use not these heavy girls.

descartesfool

It's all a matter of opinion. I love DCT on track. I had 3 cars at the same time with manual boxes and tracked them all simultaneously, including my C7 M7. I could heel and toe with the best of them. Sold all those manual tranny cars. But at the same time as I had my C7, I also have had a Nissan GT-R, and I've done thousands of laps with it. I have never, ever missed the manual since I first got my GT-R in 2008. I was driving both my Vette and my GT-R, and whether the car had a manual of not, had a turbo or not was just not an issue for me. What I like most about a DCT is that you can take all the attention required for executing perfectly timed shifts when entering a corner to braking and turning, and you can exit the corner harder as the car can upshift mid-corner without upsettting the car. Every iota of attention required to manually shift the car can be transferred to to the parts of the driving fast. Driving a DCT on track allows you more latitude to improve your laptimes. And as for turbos, when on track you are always near the top of the engine's power band, so lag is never an issue. Sound is not so good, unless of course you are driving a car like my AMG GT-S.

I now have 3 cars with DCT's and turbos, including a 718 Cayman, and no manusl or cars with NA engines. I like my Nissan GT-R so much I ordered a new 2019 one. And my 2009 one has never ever had an issue with it's DCT, because I knew from the first day on track that it needed an extra transmission cooler, and that was fitted right quick, and DCT has been totally bullet proof. That was a first few model year issue. I am upgrading it to a newer model as they have now made the car including the DCT much smoother. And when you drive the cars in traffic on the street, the DCT's are fantastic. No more tiring clutch work in stop and go traffic. All my track buddies swear by manuals, but none of them have ever had a fast car with a DCT, except one buddy who relentlessly tracks a Viper T/A has just ordered a 2019 Porsche Turbo S and like many, many modern sports cars, it only comes with a DCT. Time will tell how he likes that compared to that big manly stick in his Viper.

The head of all Porsche GT cars, Adreas Preuninger, has an opinion about his creation, the GT3. Go to the 16 minute mark in the video on the 991.2 GT3, where he says if you want a car for the track, get the one with the PDK, and if you want to drive on the street and enjoy it, get the manual. He also says a bit earlier than that that he found it quite tiresome dealing with all the opinions about what the transmission should be, manual or PDK, so they brought back the PDK due to all the whining (my interpretation of what he said)


Now I know for guys like my track buddies including George, nothing I say will change their opinions about manuals, light cars, and NA engines, but I have a real ton of fun on track with DCT's and turbos. I do have two track buddies who each have both a Viper ACR E and an AMG GT-R, and they each like both cars on track. Your opinion may vary.

bebezote

AGREED

the only "track" I've ever been on is the 1320 so its very hard for me to even know what a good curvy track car is supposed to be like... my interest, and I suspect many owners also, want 1/4 mile cars and even roll racing .. ive no business trying to power slide a car into gravel or off a mountain.. but love DR's since the rotors aint gonna allow small wheel thick slicks... AWD please GM...

Michael A

Faster for about 10 minutes. Then fizzle.

Electric cars are one trick ponies.

Michael A

Considering how many times I hear the DCT is faster on the track, they must be giving out a lot of trophies at the HPDE events.

SBC_and_a_stick

Gold I tell ya! The only time separating the first from last is a tenth of a second. That gosh darned stickshift transmission.

ltomn

I don't mean to demean those that enjoy track time. It's just that I, an old speed freak, love the hi performance cars but don't use them for hi performance.

NORTY

GM has just got to laugh at these threads. All the way to the bank. I'm not buying a C7, until I see a C8 in the plastic. Then, I'll make my decision on whether to buy another Corvette or not. Right now, I'm leaning towards "not."

TheSenator

This must be a record to have this many professional manually-driven race car drivers, in one thread.

JoesC5

That describes 95% of Corvette owners, including me.