zland

With 100% torque at zero RPM, no surprise electric vehicles perform great 0-60.

ICE vehicles have excelled on the track and endurance racing. In the recent article below, the Tesla model 3 had a quicker lap time than a BMW M3. To my knowledge it was a single lap so the lap times likely weren't as good for the Model 3 if it ran for longer a duration. I am confident Porsche will address this issue with their soon to released electric sedan.

The point is the C8 might have worse performance than upcoming Tesla roadster and other electrics. Will GM be forced to quickly upgrade to a full electric C9 model?

Side note: For me, there is more to enjoying driving a car on the street and track. For me it isn't if a lap time is 2 seconds quicker, it is about the thrill of driving and interacting with the car. I am amused by so many emphasizing 2 seconds on a lap when those 2 seconds don't matter. How many folks that drive a Corvette depend on a lap time for a paycheck? If you don't it's the driving experience that matters.


https://cleantechnica.com/2019/04/25/tesla-model-3-performance-crushes-fossil-bmw-m3-around-race-track/

Jeff V.

I don't think Corvette has much to worry about from a $200,000+ car that'll likely be years late, if Tesla even survives long enough to build it in the first place.

ToddC7

OP mentioned model 3... not the roadster.

zland

A $38,000 Model 3 just spanked a M3. This is really the infancy of electrics and the first small size Tesla released beat the iconic small sports sedan, first shot out.

What makes you think this trend isn't going to hit the affordable sports car segment?

Zaro Tundov

What makes you think GM doesn't have an EV sports car in the works?

Shinobi'sZ

As the owner of many high horsepower cars and motorcycles and now also a Tesla P3. I can say that although it's not even remotely as good looking as the Vette, it is pretty bad ***. If you consider how long it has taken ICE cars to get where they are today performance wise, to the last 6-8 years of battery powered vehicles. The technology is emerging much faster. My Tesla P3 does 0-60 in 3.3 secs an can do 165 mph and is AWD with range of 310 miles. It is faster than my 335i M Sport and isn't fast as my Z and or handles the same. But it is close. I would like to see a battery power C8, frankly I'm surprised that GM isn't concentrating on this more. Below are my two, I plan to buy a C8 in a few years also.

MagRedConv

Screw tesla & musk. Anyone happen to catch this yesterday?


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/24/tesl...s-q1-2019.html

Zaro Tundov

Have you driven an ATS-V? I'm wondering how the Tesla P3's handling compares. I drove a Model S and while the acceleration was great I found the steering numb and the handling only better than average. Still haven't driven a P3.

Shinobi'sZ

No but I sold my 800 hp CTS-V last year.

Jeff V.

Ahem

Track days are called days for a reason. I'm glad it's fast in short bursts, but I'll be far more impressed when they get the battery technology to a point where it'll last a whole day and not require a lengthy recharge period. That'll benefit all electric cars. Not just the performance oriented ones.

I never said the trend wouldn't hit affordable cars. I just don't think it's going to happen quickly enough to have any meaningful impact on the C8.

Johnsrx7

EVs are just fast golf carts. They have great constant linear acceleration but it no where near as fun as an IC car accelerating and shifting.

Old School

I want my fun cars to have a manual gear shift and make a genuine roaring vroom sound. I don't care if there's something faster. I can see my DD being an EV someday though

Shinobi'sZ

Don't be douche because you don't like the car. Elon set some pretty lofty goals and as the guy who started Paypal and Space X, he's not really the type to fail in case you haven't noticed. Plus his hyperloop development in SoCal.

I'm not one of these Tesla fan boys like my IT guys at work. But I do own a Tesla P3, did pick it up at the delivery center Dec 29 so I got the $12K in tax returns...already received them. The delivery plant was a mad house and I swear where it used to be "oh there's a Tesla" now it's like no big deal as I see them every time I drive...and I live in a rural area of California. Tesla is leading the way for other car manufacturers to follow.

The next generation of kids barely take not of my C7Z. At least this has been my observation when I pass by the intercity school in the City I work in. Example.

I drive my Vette and the kids look maybe for a second.
I drive my 66' Mustang and everybody turns their head and gives thumbs up (it's fully restored...but even then they are a low performing cheap car)
I drive my Tesla P3 and it's like the playground stops to look at it, and I hear "oh cool" same with the kids in the crosswalk.

I didn't even think about that type of thing until I started noticing it as I commuted the car to work. Kids are getting it just like a new phone. I love Corvettes and all things loud and fast. But everybody that rides in my Tesla and gets a chance to accelerate with zero noise or tires breaking traction is blown away.

So I think GM should really concentrate on a 800hp AWD C8 platform, I think my P3 is rate like 470hp. The new Tesla pickup is coming out with a 400 mile range and towing capacity that is going to blow away any Diesel powered F350, 3500 Truck in production.

Shinobi'sZ

Once again you have to put it into perspective. I used my cars for HPDE. So you race three 20 mins sessions than get a cool down between, maybe if one is really equipped for a HPDE events, they keep gas cans at their trailer so the tank doesn't have to be filled all the way up.....save weight..and refill between sessions.

Once there are some Superchargers installed at the track, or if somebody has a truck and brings a 240vac 3 phase 100 amp generator, depending on whether it is a Supercharger or a towed generator...the charge rate would be about 80 to 40 miles over 15-20 mins. That is enough of a charge to keep a fully charged Tesla 3 in "track mode" (210 miles) running for two more sessions easily. When the P3 is placed in "track mode" the power/range is reduced from 310 miles to 210 miles, as all of the fans kick on to keep the batteries cool..wouldn't want it going into limp mode because of too much heat...oh wait that is our C7Zs.


All of you guys reading stuff on the internet from Google University should really go out and test drive one so that you have some actual experience to speak from. It might also change your perspective like it did mine.

vetteLT193

Where did it say it was the base model? I'm sure it was the starting at 51k performance model and there are other options to add after that.

I have a volt as a daily driver and it's great for that. However electric vehicles suck in certain conditions and can really suck based on the driver. If you are a more spirited driver you don't lose MPG's like a normal car, you lose range. And even supercharging isn't really all that quick, it takes 5 minutes to refill with gas but a half hour to supercharge to some degree. No thank you.

In the cold weather electric vehicles range goes way down especially if you enjoy basic things like heat. The people with Teslas that are fan boys are driving these things like hypermile mobiles ( I pass them all the time on the highway sitting at 65 MPH in the slow lane so they can get to their destination). We might get to the point where they work well enough but right now they are simply a good commuter car and not an answer for a full replacement vehicle unless you are willing to put up with all the BS.

The Volt works good for me because the gas engine means I can get heat in the winter and I don't run out of range ever regardless of how I drive it.

Jeff V.

For what it's worth, I'm for electric and hybrid cars. I just feel we've got a long way to go when it comes to energy storage and recharging. Case in point, if you want to compare a Tesla to an ICE car for performance reasons, that should not include dedicated support infrastructure at a track or an entire truckload of gear dedicated to keeping the car operational for an afternoon.

Warp Factor

It may go as far as 210 miles in "track mode", but not at track speeds and power levels. Nowhere close.

MagRedConv

Hey, you can appologize musk all you want. Facts hurt huh? Oh, I'm not douche' as you opened with. Seems you and musk have a stranglehold on that one.

Zaro Tundov

Just trying to get an idea of well the P3 handles. I've read all the magazine articles but you know how they are - can't really denigrate any cars because then they wouldn't get to review new models.

Tonylmiller

There is A LOT more involved in performance than straight line acceleration. At least in my book.