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Old 05-16-2019, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by oregonsharkman
I live in opposite world. Wilsonville Oregon (where I work) is the location of the nations oldest Ferrari dealer - Ron Tonkin Gran Turismo. I literally see brand new Ferraris every day.

On the other hand, I hardly ever see C7 Corvettes around here and get a ton of compliments on my 2019 GS.

That being said, even though Ferrari's are way more common around here, I would still take a 458 Italia over my Grand Sport.
To say that Ferrari's are common around here is reaching at best. Most of the new cars Tonkin sells head south to CA or north to the other looney bin. Since I have lived here I have seen more McLarens than I have Ferraris and C7 Vettes are as rare as the rain. The C8 will be the car to have for Corvette enthusiasts and there will be plenty around. With that being said, if it looks as good as I think it will, I won't mind seeing them everyday.
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Old 05-16-2019, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by punky
Takes a good bit more than a stupid remark from a goon to upset me.
See... this is why you end up on everyone’s ignore list... why must you always include an insult with every comment? Do you not understand that it completely dilutes any valid rebut you are trying to offer?
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Originally Posted by tcweidner
what if GM knocks it out of the park and gives us a beautiful c8 at a great price....and we start seeing them everywhere. What if they become a common sight? sure it may still be a great track car underneath, but unless you are at a track that doesnt matter at all. 10 to 12 year payment loans exist for cars such as these, so every tom, dick, and harry could "afford it" if they really wanted to. I just thought it a curious topic for discussion.
Hmmmm.... you mean GM may actually continue to do what they have done with the Corvette platform for 50 years....... what an interesting concept.
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom73
There is a limited market for a two seat hot rod. A car like this does not fit the needs of a young family. It is basically a toy. But, it can serve as a daily driver for some. No mater how good it is I cannot see a market of more than 40,000 a year after the initial run.
Agree completely and the younger crowd also has the insurance to deal with that can be expensive
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Originally Posted by fourmat
Agree completely and the younger crowd also has the insurance to deal with that can be expensive
I've owned and insured Corvettes since I was 21 (37 now) and insurance has never been more than $60 a month or thereabouts. It's not age, it's driving record.
Old 05-16-2019, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
I've owned and insured Corvettes since I was 21 (37 now) and insurance has never been more than $60 a month or thereabouts. It's not age, it's driving record.
It's also about where you live. CA was way expensive, AR and AZ cheaper just because of where we lived yet with the same cars. Age of car can also be a parameter.
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by C6ness
This is my corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Oh geeze....that sent me somewhere I didnt want to go.....lol

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Old 05-16-2019, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by punky
Takes a good bit more than a stupid remark from a goon to upset me.
You are obviously upset if you have to call people names on the internet for providing a different opinion than yours, lol. Don't worry, I have some tissues for you. I want you to feel better.

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Old 05-16-2019, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom73
I don’t understand why they sold so many those years. Not like it was a new model, the C3 had been around for ten years. Maybe this would be a good study for am MBA candidate
I like to think that when there's an overall decline in performance, more people are drawn to performance cars. They're less depressing than regular cars. But the latter-70s bump might be more simply explained by an overall rise in vehicle sales.

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Old 05-16-2019, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
I've owned and insured Corvettes since I was 21 (37 now) and insurance has never been more than $60 a month or thereabouts. It's not age, it's driving record.
Depends wildly on where you are. In Michigan, my C4 with PLPD runs $40 a month. My new Focus with full coverage runs $140 a month. For funsies, I just ran a quote on a base 2018 C7, I'm looking at about $210 a month with full coverage, and I have about as clean a driving record as you can have and a credit score north of 750. Not a huge jump from the Focus, but still significant.
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Originally Posted by jefnvk
Depends wildly on where you are. In Michigan, my C4 with PLPD runs $40 a month. My new Focus with full coverage runs $140 a month. For funsies, I just ran a quote on a base 2018 C7, I'm looking at about $210 a month with full coverage, and I have about as clean a driving record as you can have and a credit score north of 750. Not a huge jump from the Focus, but still significant.
Lot of it has to do with what the insurance company would be liable for if the car needed repair or was totaled. The more expensive the car, the higher the premium. Your C4 (if fully covered) would probably be totaled if it was in any sort of accident. Auto repair is very expensive now a days.

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Originally Posted by NY09C6
It would be great to have GM sell massive numbers of these cars.
I seriously hope they don't. I like the fact that I don't see a Corvette around every damn corner like I see a Toyota Camry or a Honda Civic.

When I do see one, it's a cool sight to see. I really don't want every Tom, Dick and Harry to be able to own one...

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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
I've owned and insured Corvettes since I was 21 (37 now) and insurance has never been more than $60 a month or thereabouts. It's not age, it's driving record.
$720.00/annually? What are the specifics of that policy? Bundled with other insured vehicles?
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Originally Posted by jefnvk
Depends wildly on where you are. In Michigan, my C4 with PLPD runs $40 a month. My new Focus with full coverage runs $140 a month. For funsies, I just ran a quote on a base 2018 C7, I'm looking at about $210 a month with full coverage, and I have about as clean a driving record as you can have and a credit score north of 750. Not a huge jump from the Focus, but still significant.
Didn't you default on your student loans? FYI, high credit scores indicate that A) you're in debt, you use debt, and have been making your payments on time. Nothing more.
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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe
$720.00/annually? What are the specifics of that policy? Bundled with other insured vehicles?
Two other vehicles since getting married in 2012, before that I had a truck as a 2nd vehicle most of the time. These were all C5s and now a C7. I've never had state minimums... always full coverage with 100/300/100 limits.

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Didn't you default on your student loans? FYI, high credit scores indicate that A) you're in debt, you use debt, and have been making your payments on time. Nothing more.
Credit score is a huge factor in insurance underwriting. I used to be in the business. It's the highest correlated variable to likelihood of a loss. In other words, people with high credit scores are more responsible and end up being better drivers and don't get in accidents and thereby don't file claims.
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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe
Didn't you default on your student loans? FYI, high credit scores indicate that A) you're in debt, you use debt, and have been making your payments on time. Nothing more.
No? Do you not understand what forebearance is, if you are referring to my comment in the DCT thread? And yes, credit score has a massive impact on rates in states which allow the practice, Michigan being one of them. Regardless what you (mostly incorrectly) think about the scores, they do impact much of your financial qualifications, insurance included. Influencing rates of de facto required insurance is a practice that I completely disagree with when one actually has a driving history that indicates individual risk, but one that exists nonetheless.

https://www.michiganradio.org/post/c...ny-other-state

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Originally Posted by Foosh
You're right. I didn't go back 40 years when there was far less competition.

Moreover, prices were much lower then including inflation. In the best sales year (1979), GM sold almost 54K Corvettes, which started at $10K MSRP. That's $37K in 2019 dollars. I suspect they'd still be selling 50K or more units a year if the C7 price started at $37K.
Not only going back 40 years, but as others have pointed out it's difficult to compare "eras" since back in the '70s there were far fewer competitors. Numbers can be made to "look" many different ways, such as the '53 model only sold 300, and even the next year was below 4000. Surely, those weren't normal years for the Corvette, but really, there wasn't much competition then, either.

Originally Posted by oregonsharkman
I live in opposite world. Wilsonville Oregon (where I work) is the location of the nations oldest Ferrari dealer - Ron Tonkin Gran Turismo. I literally see brand new Ferraris every day.

On the other hand, I hardly ever see C7 Corvettes around here and get a ton of compliments on my 2019 GS.

That being said, even though Ferrari's are way more common around here, I would still take a 458 Italia over my Grand Sport.
Just a small correction --- Ron Tonkin Ferrari HAS been around for a very long time. However, Luigi Chinetti in NYC/CT preceded him by a few years as did Algar Ferrari outside Philly.

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Old 05-16-2019, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by C6ness
Lot of it has to do with what the insurance company would be liable for if the car needed repair or was totaled. The more expensive the car, the higher the premium. Your C4 (if fully covered) would probably be totaled if it was in any sort of accident. Auto repair is very expensive now a days.
Nope, no full coverage on the C4 (currently). That was simply the rate to make it "road legal" and nothing more when I bought it, to drive home and keep it legal for test drives on the road. I'll probably go to a Haggerty named-value policy once it starts getting regularly driven now that the weather is nice, which is going to add ~$25 or so a month. Michigan isn't a cheap state to insure vehicles.

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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
I've owned and insured Corvettes since I was 21 (37 now) and insurance has never been more than $60 a month or thereabouts. It's not age, it's driving record.

I have everything insured from 1 place and I'm 50+ and great driving record and I'm not even in the 60/month range. There again, I did not skimp out and get the lowest coverage. I see you stated 100/300/100, I guess I'm in the wrong state.

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Originally Posted by Garret
I'm curious what that coverage is as in is this 100000/50000/100000 or 10000000/5000000/100000000 Cause for 60 bucks a month I'm figuring you have the lowest possible coverage in the world.

I have everything insured from 1 place and I'm 50+ and great driving record and I'm not even in the 60/month range. There again, I did not skimp out and get the lowest coverage.
100/300/100 with a Nissan Titan and a Mercedes GL350 on the policy as well. For all 3 Vehicles I pay $170/month. State minimums are like 10/50/10 or something like that here.

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