PCMIII

Corvette is made with parts from all over the world so if people are buying it because they think it is an "American sports car" they are just foolish.
Corvette is a success because it is fast, stylish, affordable and practical. The ME Corvette will likely be fast, although probably slower than a ZR1, and if it only offers the LT2 at ~500 hp, it will definitely be slower. Not much demand for a slower Corvette.

Foosh

Wow, hopefully there's no way you're as dumb as this sounds.

PCMIII

Again with the ad hominem attacks. That's obviously all you've got -- no facts, no information, no rational argument -- yet you call me dumb.

mschuyler

It is made with 75% North American parts, same as the Toyota Camry. That's higher than most any other car out there and certainly more than any other sports car. By any measure it s an American sports car and it is not "foolish" to claim so.

jimmyb

I think they will be failures, by new generation Corvette sales standards. I have no idea what BMW and Toyota have to sell to consider the cars a success OR a failure. That said, I will go on record now saying the Z4 AND Supra will not sell 20,000 units COMBINED in the U.S. their 1st year. I'll also go on record that the C8 will do 35,000 units in the U.S. it's first year.

PS. I will say that if the Supra/Z4 SNIFF anything CLOSE to 20,000 units in the U.S., it will be a miracle.

The last year the Z4 crested 10,000 units in the U.S. was 2007 (10,097 sold), after that, it has averaged 2,530 cars sold a year (in the U.S.).
The late, lamented Mark IV Supra sold less than 12,000 copies in it's life in the U.S., based on the numbers I could find. No question the car, already out of production, was given a huge boost (pun intended) by the Fast and Furious movie series. Looking at what unmolested TT Mark IV's go for at auction ($150K+!!!) is truly remarkable. And hopefully we can all agree that the NEW Supra is NO Mark IV in any shape, form, or fashion.
So, the badass Mark IV was a failure, what makes you think a re-badged Z4 that's only available with an 8 speed TC auto and LESS horsepower than it's engineering twin is going to be a hit? When the chief engineer of the Mark V is already talking about customers swapping out the BMW 6 for the legendary 2JZ-GTE TT 6 cylinder from the Mark IV, that's a shockingly BAD look.
Lack of an FE Corvette is NOT the determining factor for the Supra. The car is already perceived, rightly or wrongly, as a very POOR follow up to the Mark IV.

PSS. Go to a Supra forum. The amount of outright DISDAIN and HATERED for the new Supra is UNPARALLELED. These guys truly HATE the car. Toyota better pray that a NEW group of customers are in the wings for the new Supra because the current Supra owners won't touch the car with a 10 foot pole.

Foosh

There you go tripping over, and trampling upon facts again. What I actually said was an expression of hope that you're NOT as dumb as many of your posts sound.

And BTW, your continuous use of the term "ad hominem" is also incorrect ("AD HOMINEM: directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.")

I am questioning your rather ridiculous positions, so they are definitively NOT ad hominem. I do not know you.

Skid Row Joe

When you buy a Toyota Camry made in the U.S.A., ALL the excess profits go to Japan. When you buy a GM Chevrolet Corvette made in the U.S.A., ALL the excess profits go to the United States of America. Some haven't been able to grasp the differences...

PCMIII

The new Supra is faster and handles better, so there's that.

Foosh

But, not nearly as capable performance-wise as a base C7 in a similar price bracket.

PCMIII

So when you buy a car, you decide based on where the corporate profits go? Apart from a few union guys, nobody cares where the profits go. Mary Barra makes $20 million/year so I should be concerned about putting more money in her purse?

Sub Driver

Why would you expect the base model C8 to be faster than the C7 ZR1? Whenever a new generation comes around the base model has never been faster than the previous top of the line models.

jimmyb

Faster than what? Handles better than what? A C7 Stingray? You might want to look that up....
It seems the new Supra is VERY tail happy. EVERY previewer of the car has mentioned it (and not in a good way). So much for the handling part, huh?

jimmyb

Here...let me help you.
The 2020 C8 will DEFINITELY be slower than a C7 ZR1. And since YOU seem to think that fact will doom the C8, you are going to get your wish. The C8 will be a failure, sales wise, everyone on CF will laud and praise you as THE authority on all things Corvette.

OR NOT.

PCMIII

Supra Mark IV.

But you make a good point: Why would Corvette abandon the $50K sports car market to Supra when the FE Stingray out-performs it and offers a manual trans?
Makes no sense to give away a market you dominate to a fierce competitor, but the consensus here is that it is a done deal.

PCMIII

So you think there is lots of demand for a slower Corvette? Maybe in bizarro world.

Foosh

Do I think there will be a lot of demand for a bargain base C8 that outperforms a bargain base C7? No question, yes. Apples to apples, grasshopper.

It's the same with the Porsche comparison you so love to make. No one expects a 2020 base 911 to outperform a 2014 911 GT3 because it simply can't. Your world view appears to be bizzaro.

jimmyb

So, shockingly a NEW Supra is FASTER than a Supra last imported BEFORE the turn of the century well, who knew?
The FE Corvette is finished. I'm sorry you're mad about it. Go buy a C7...there's plenty available.

jimmyb

So, you expected the BASE C8 to be faster than a C7 ZR1? Really? Seriously, you REALLY thought that was going to happen? You, my friend, ARE bizarre world.

PCMIII

No, I expect the LT4 to be in the launch edition C8 and it will likely be faster on the track than a ZR1.
If that doesn't happen, what is the point of the ME?

Foosh

Indeed, I've heard it called "Jekyll and Hyde" on the track that will likely bite all but the most experienced. It is no match for the base C7, which has far better handling qualities, same weight, and 125 and 100 better HP and TQ numbers, respectively .