Did Chevy miss the mark on customer base with the C8?
#41
Melting Slicks
I think you missed the point there. While the same thing could be said about xyz cars, my point is they didn't miss the mark because these new cars will absolutely be tracked. Maybe not by everyone...okay probably not by most but there will be people who will track them. At my last track day I counted 40 Corvettes, over half of them C7's. Corvettes were a quarter of the entire field.
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ArmchairArchitect (08-23-2019)
#42
Sorry if I misunderstood your post. Yes, I quite agree, there are many Corvettes at the track and have been for years. Ever since the C5Z, Corvette has offered models that are excellent track performers. While I don’t think modern Corvettes are designed with this in mind, plenty of people drag race them at strips across the country as well.
#43
Melting Slicks
Huh? They clearly design the car with track performance in mind or they wouldn't spend all that time testing on race tracks and at the ring. The Z51 package is specifically setup to make the car great at trackdays; that's what it's for. The SAE article on the new car quotes Tadge saying they validated the car to 100 degrees ambient with a professional driver this time.
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#44
Le Mans Master
If you follow this forum, it appears like everyone tracks because they are so concerned with that last tenth of a second and getting the cornering over 1g.
#45
Melting Slicks
Not at all. It’s because driving 40 miles an hour down a city street in a car with 10 times that capability is just flat boring. In some respects it’s more exciting to drive a car with very low limits on city streets then a car with high limits like a Corvette. Corvettes come alive at the track!
#46
Race Director
#47
Yes, otherwise why not buy a Prius? Even if you never use it, we are buying a level of performance that makes
the car special. It sells cars.
the car special. It sells cars.
#48
PREFACE-I LOVE THE C8
imo GM DID miss a little more than was necessary.
DOORS that allow an owner/passenger to at least somewhat comfortably enter and exit in their garage and a parking lot
Nicking the doors of the C8 and other vehicles seems to be inevitable.
i suspect an owner/passenger could literally be trapped in a parking lot between two cars
New commercial for getting Lifeline: "Help, I can't open my C8 doors wide enough to get out!"
imo scissor door WAS the answer for this ME C8 configuration
The passenger compartment seems to have been a secondary concern.
imo.passenger should have a smaller companion version of
the driver's screen but with basic functions. this would allow the passenger to perform mundane tasks(maps,temp,time,etc) allowing the driver to stay totally and happily engaged.
imo modify the recessed rear plate area to be flush( or extended) to add a little more room for at least 1 set of golf clubs.
LOVE THE C8, Wish GM had actually had more input from Corvette owners(C5,C6,C7) to mesh the best of each in regards to interior exit/entrance and comfort.
LOVE THE C8! ... Little misses such as a chore of getting in and out and the prospect of a disgruntled passenger tempers my LOVE..
Now i'm going to put TWO sets of clubs in the trunk of my C6 vert and then glide into the cockpit.
I suspect we will take my C6 to the golf course after my friend gets his C8-the parking lot gets pretty crowded.
Removable roof panel.....evidently going to take two people to remove and safely store
imo GM DID miss a little more than was necessary.
DOORS that allow an owner/passenger to at least somewhat comfortably enter and exit in their garage and a parking lot
Nicking the doors of the C8 and other vehicles seems to be inevitable.
i suspect an owner/passenger could literally be trapped in a parking lot between two cars
New commercial for getting Lifeline: "Help, I can't open my C8 doors wide enough to get out!"
imo scissor door WAS the answer for this ME C8 configuration
The passenger compartment seems to have been a secondary concern.
imo.passenger should have a smaller companion version of
the driver's screen but with basic functions. this would allow the passenger to perform mundane tasks(maps,temp,time,etc) allowing the driver to stay totally and happily engaged.
imo modify the recessed rear plate area to be flush( or extended) to add a little more room for at least 1 set of golf clubs.
LOVE THE C8, Wish GM had actually had more input from Corvette owners(C5,C6,C7) to mesh the best of each in regards to interior exit/entrance and comfort.
LOVE THE C8! ... Little misses such as a chore of getting in and out and the prospect of a disgruntled passenger tempers my LOVE..
Now i'm going to put TWO sets of clubs in the trunk of my C6 vert and then glide into the cockpit.
I suspect we will take my C6 to the golf course after my friend gets his C8-the parking lot gets pretty crowded.
Removable roof panel.....evidently going to take two people to remove and safely store
#49
Vertical lift doors suck... no thanks. How do you open them in a accident if you're on your roof? Also, they're bad for water when trying to use the car in the real world in the rain.
#50
Le Mans Master
Not at all. It’s because driving 40 miles an hour down a city street in a car with 10 times that capability is just flat boring. In some respects it’s more exciting to drive a car with very low limits on city streets then a car with high limits like a Corvette. Corvettes come alive at the track!
#51
Actually, not.
If it was designed for tracking it would not have a removable roof panel, that saps structural integrity.
If it was designed for tracking it would not have been 1/2 a foot longer than the C7, just to fit golf clubs.
If it was designed for tracking it would not have gained 220 lbs vs C7.
If it was designed for tracking it would not have comical 12.6" (13.3 on Z51) front brakes.
The design point was clearly an affordable and very usable GT that happens to be very capable at the track.
I'm buying one precisely because it is both capable and practical/affordable.
If it was designed for tracking it would not have a removable roof panel, that saps structural integrity.
If it was designed for tracking it would not have been 1/2 a foot longer than the C7, just to fit golf clubs.
If it was designed for tracking it would not have gained 220 lbs vs C7.
If it was designed for tracking it would not have comical 12.6" (13.3 on Z51) front brakes.
The design point was clearly an affordable and very usable GT that happens to be very capable at the track.
I'm buying one precisely because it is both capable and practical/affordable.
#52
Melting Slicks
Not a Prius, but a stick Miata or Fiesta ST can be a lot of fun at 40 or 50 mph (speed limit) down a back road—light, nimble and quick. My Corvette at that speed just says to me, “ I am barely working; let’s try that again at 90 mph “, and the car means what it says.
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No average street drivers had even a winkling of overheating problems, aside from random assembly line screwups which were correctable under the warrantly.
#57
Melting Slicks
Several members of this board tracked basically stock 2015 Z06s with manual transmissions and had no overheating problems. I’m not sure to whom you’re referring, but I haven’t heard of anyone having an issue except automatic transmission owners.
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#58
Le Mans Master
Later in the model run, GM changed cooling and had better results with M7s but never fixed the A8.
#59
Le Mans Master
Just one example of many. I also owned a '15 that would get hot on the street (although it never went into limp mode, just had high temps that would've pushed into limp mode had I been on a track)
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ing-fixes.html
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ing-fixes.html
#60
Melting Slicks
Just one example of many. I also owned a '15 that would get hot on the street (although it never went into limp mode, just had high temps that would've pushed into limp mode had I been on a track)
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ing-fixes.html
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ing-fixes.html
Read that entire thread years ago, and posted in it several times. The consensus seemed to be if you took Lawdogg’s approach and removeed the hood weatherstrip, you were fine. I personally discussed it with him in PMs and he had no issues after he made that move, and I know he ran in the South a lot, particularly at Road Atl. if you took Bill Dearborn‘s approach and added the auxiliary radiator, you also were fine. Simple, easy fixes. If your car overheated on the street, it was broken. That was not a design flaw.
The A8 did have issues and nothing could really fix it.
Also we need distinguish between overheating and heat soak. Overheating means either water or oil temperatures get so high you cannot run safely. That problem, in my opinion, was fixed on the 15-16 M7 with minimal owner effort. The heat soak issue which would pull timing, which is a completely different issue, did pop up from time to time.
You and I are reading that thread a little bit differently.
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