Potential deadly defect found in the C8
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#222
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Simple question. Can anyone think of a good reason why this is a better design than putting a door handle on a door?
For the moment, just set aside the fact that yes, it's easy to figure out how to find and use the floor-mounted door release. That's obivous, and everyone acknowledges that. It's equally obvious that a lot of folks don't initially find it.
But, is it a better design and what was the reason for doing it that way?
For the moment, just set aside the fact that yes, it's easy to figure out how to find and use the floor-mounted door release. That's obivous, and everyone acknowledges that. It's equally obvious that a lot of folks don't initially find it.
But, is it a better design and what was the reason for doing it that way?
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The bottom line that’s been stated multiple times now is if you don’t read your manual to understand the features of your vehicle, or don’t know how to use Google, or do not have the common sense to open your glove box to look in the manual, or remove the top on a removable top vehicle then that’s on you. People need to take responsibility for their incompetence & stop looking to place the blame on everyone else.
#224
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I apologize if someone already mentioned it but I remember a few years back a C6 owner and his dog died in his car when his battery went dead. I don't remember all the details but there was a forum member here who went for a trip out in the desert and the same thing happened to him. He was discovered dead a few days later I believe. My wife once got locked inside my XLR-V with the same locking system and she was not aware of the release handle. My fault for not making sure she was aware of the lever but my point is that it can and does happen.
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A lot of forum members believe that those who have been unable to find the handle and get out deserved the death sentence for their human failings.
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As has been already posted multiple times in this thread, there are several ways to get out of a C6, C7, or C8 even if you have no clue about the emergency release handle. It's not a "death sentence" and in all honesty if a person can't figure out any of those ways out it's unlikely another way out in the form of a handle on the door would do any good.
#228
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Did you not try to call Onstar through the button on the rear view mirror? They can unlock the doors remotely. When I first bought my C7 ZO6/ZO7 I started the car in my garage and forgot to get something and when I shut the door I heard them lock and my keys were in the cup holder. I did NOT have active service on it but I had heard they will unlock doors without having active service if there was a baby, old person, or animal stuck in it. I called anyway since my options were to break the window or have it towed to the dealer, I told the lady what happened and those were the first questions she asked but I couldn’t lie to her. Surprisingly and for reasons I don’t remember or understand she said she couldn’t open the doors for me but called a locksmith to come out at no charge to me, it was a ancient black man that came out with a slim jim in hand and we both immediately said that wasn’t going to work. He then called in the Onstar to tell them his situation and while he was on the phone the lady he was talking to unlocked my doors. Maybe because the car was in my garage and could verify I wasn’t a car thief she opened the door but I was very appreciative for the help. True Story
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Simple question. Can anyone think of a good reason why this is a better design than putting a door handle on a door?
For the moment, just set aside the fact that yes, it's easy to figure out how to find and use the floor-mounted door release. That's obivous, and everyone acknowledges that. It's equally obvious that a lot of folks don't initially find it.
But, is it a better design and what was the reason for doing it that way?
For the moment, just set aside the fact that yes, it's easy to figure out how to find and use the floor-mounted door release. That's obivous, and everyone acknowledges that. It's equally obvious that a lot of folks don't initially find it.
But, is it a better design and what was the reason for doing it that way?
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OK, that would be a reason. But, was there an advantage to moving the latch from the door to the body?
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GM provides clear instructions on how to operate the doors & there are multiple ways to get out of the vehicle if there is no power to the door mechanism.
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Sure it was. Read through the Darwin comments, etc.
Of course, there are clear instructions, but does not being familiar with them merit a death sentence? It's pretty universal for humans to look for a door handle or **** on a door, and it's really more of a passenger issue than an owner one.
Moreover, you can't pop the top off C6, C7, or C8 convertibles, or the C6 Z06.
Of course, there are clear instructions, but does not being familiar with them merit a death sentence? It's pretty universal for humans to look for a door handle or **** on a door, and it's really more of a passenger issue than an owner one.
Moreover, you can't pop the top off C6, C7, or C8 convertibles, or the C6 Z06.
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Maybe you should start a "I Hate GM and Corvettes" forum and take your like-minded company with you.
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Did you not try to call Onstar through the button on the rear view mirror? They can unlock the doors remotely. When I first bought my C7 ZO6/ZO7 I started the car in my garage and forgot to get something and when I shut the door I heard them lock and my keys were in the cup holder. I did NOT have active service on it but I had heard they will unlock doors without having active service if there was a baby, old person, or animal stuck in it. I called anyway since my options were to break the window or have it towed to the dealer, I told the lady what happened and those were the first questions she asked but I couldn’t lie to her. Surprisingly and for reasons I don’t remember or understand she said she couldn’t open the doors for me but called a locksmith to come out at no charge to me, it was a ancient black man that came out with a slim jim in hand and we both immediately said that wasn’t going to work. He then called in the Onstar to tell them his situation and while he was on the phone the lady he was talking to unlocked my doors. Maybe because the car was in my garage and could verify I wasn’t a car thief she opened the door but I was very appreciative for the help. True Story
Also, if you were home, why not get your 2nd fob???
#237
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Yeah, I agree it's all funny, and one can get used to any design regardless of how counter-intuitive it is. It's also amazing how simple it is to make things intuitive, especially when almost everyone else in the world designed it a more intuitive way in this particular case.
Obviously, the way it works in Corvettes is absolutely no big deal after about 1 minute of familiarity, but it takes some sophistication to ask the question of why it does serve as a source of confusion for those not familiar with it? Another way of approaching the question is to ask, is there a good reason to do it the way Corvette does it, or did some engineer just decide one day, "boy this is cool?"
I admire Phil1098's post #163 above. He obviously "gets it," and he is a big Corvette fan. I always have been too, traditionally. I am an incurable safety professional and think that way all the time. I'm also very intellectually curious about why things are designed the way they are.
Obviously, the way it works in Corvettes is absolutely no big deal after about 1 minute of familiarity, but it takes some sophistication to ask the question of why it does serve as a source of confusion for those not familiar with it? Another way of approaching the question is to ask, is there a good reason to do it the way Corvette does it, or did some engineer just decide one day, "boy this is cool?"
I admire Phil1098's post #163 above. He obviously "gets it," and he is a big Corvette fan. I always have been too, traditionally. I am an incurable safety professional and think that way all the time. I'm also very intellectually curious about why things are designed the way they are.
On my E55 Mercedes the seat control is on the door, the window switches are on the central tunnel, the door lock switch is on the middle of the instrument panel. You couldn't make it more confusing.
Putting the release handle on the C6/7/8 on the floor is also less intuitive, but it could be more safe and more luxurious. Less noise, dust coming through the door panel due to the absence of a hole where the handle mechanism goes through it.
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When I traded my C6 for an early '14 C7 you posted useful and valuable info in the C7 forum. Now all you do is badmouth GM and the C8 and you don't own a Corvette. It's a marked change that's been noticed by many people here.
Maybe you should start a "I Hate GM and Corvettes" forum and take your like-minded company with you.
Maybe you should start a "I Hate GM and Corvettes" forum and take your like-minded company with you.
I don't hate the C8 or GM or Corvette, so I have no motivation to heed your silly suggestion.
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