How did this pass Quality Control?
The positive "uniform effect" is not even close to universally accepted among the "experts." There are many other corporate cultural variables far more influential.
Last edited by Foosh; Dec 4, 2020 at 04:48 PM.
It is unacceptable for a doctor to make a mistake but no problem at all when a UAW member can't put his square peg in the square hole.
Gotta love when double standards are employed as a means of rationalization. In this case stupidity compounded with more stupidity.
How dare any question UAW workers.
Its like water and oil. Union's are THE REASON that domestic manufacturers struggle to compare well to European or Japanese vehicles.
We spend much more on LABOR which leave less for the quality of parts and materials.
Unions Are a hugh problem for domestic manufacturers between unreasonably high labor cost and legacy cost put domestic manufacturers at a hugh disadvantage compared to the companies that don't have to pay ridiculously high labor cost for what are mostly unskilled labor position that anyone with a couple hours training could do.
Union breed an us vs them status between labor and management.
Unions Breed mediocrity at best in the labor force.
Last edited by vetteman41960; Dec 4, 2020 at 04:56 PM.
Well technically there is a chevy door and a gmc door when they come out of the building so I think they are two separate lines in the same building but yes you're correct.......
The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts
Actually noticed it on day two.....
It was a lease so it didn't get my normal inspection of car purchases....I didn't even test drive it.
Also had to get "the flush" for the transmission too....and a couple recalls otherwise no issues in 35 k miles...
Last edited by hawkgfr; Dec 4, 2020 at 09:23 PM.
I personally would fault the management more for such poor quality control work, because these people are paid to ensure the designed QC processes were carried out properly. Many decades ago in the late 80s, I used to work as an automation system design engineer in a major US brand company's heavy metal factory in Sheffield, Alabama, and I worked with union crews constantly then. Sometimes they didn't do the job properly, either due to slip in attention or lack of training or bad attitude, we the engineers or the so-called "non-union professionals" just need to point things out to them or remind them, and most times the issues would just be fixed right there after our exchange or daily prep meetings to review the issues. I could easily imagine that in the BG plant in the QC lines, there are some QC supervisors who are not union members but GM "non-union professionals" (i.e. QC engineers), who supposed to check the crew's work and the processes periodically, and discover problems and resolve them right there. So what happened to these "professionals"? Some of them must have mentally "checked out" because they didn't care enough. Ultimately that's the attitude problem, lack the pride in doing an excellent work in whatever they are paid to do.
I'll tell you another example of some GM "professionals" lacks this pride in their work.... you all know my car had the wrong rear view mirror installed in the factory, and after the car brought into a local dealer and my request for GM to send a field engineer, they finally did, had someone at the dealer showing the dealer service department how to install the right camera mirror, and ordered the replacement parts from GM by telling GM Parts Dept. that "we need to have the whole mirror to be shipped to the dealer for a replacement job". Guess what? Someone in GM received the request and processed it, and sent the camera mirror to the dealer alright, but forgot to send the back cover of the mirror, even though the request from the GM FE was very clear that "we need the whole mirror". That person who processed the shipping request, who I am sure is not a union member but a "professional", apparently doesn't have much pride in doing an excellent job, and simple doesn't care enough to think it through, like, "oh, you need a whole mirror, so you must need the mirror front half, and also the back cover, so let me ship both of them together", but instead simply grabbed a mirror and shipped it without the cover. So now, the car is still stuck in the dealer's shop because they couldn't complete the replacement work, and the GM FE was fed up with their parts shipping and now is requesting the back cover from the BG factory directly! What a fiasco!
Last edited by bluan; Dec 5, 2020 at 12:45 AM.
I personally would fault the management more for such poor quality control work, because these people are paid to ensure the designed QC processes were carried out properly. Many decades ago in the late 80s, I used to work as an automation system design engineer in a major US brand company's heavy metal factory in Sheffield, Alabama, and I worked with union crews constantly then. Sometimes they didn't do the job properly, either due to slip in attention or lack of training or bad attitude, we the engineers or the so-called "non-union professionals" just need to point things out to them or remind them, and most times the issues would just be fixed right there after our exchange or daily prep meetings to review the issues. I could easily imagine that in the BG plant in the QC lines, there are some QC supervisors who are not union members but GM "non-union professionals" (i.e. QC engineers), who supposed to check the crew's work and the processes periodically, and discover problems and resolve them right there. So what happened to these "professionals"? Some of them must have mentally "checked out" because they didn't care enough. Ultimately that's the attitude problem, lack the pride in doing an excellent work in whatever they are paid to do.
I'll tell you another example of some GM "professionals" lacks this pride in their work.... you all know my car had the wrong rear view mirror installed in the factory, and after the car brought into a local dealer and my request for GM to send a field engineer, they finally did, had someone at the dealer showing the dealer service department how to install the right camera mirror, and ordered the replacement parts from GM by telling GM Parts Dept. that "we need to have the whole mirror to be shipped to the dealer for a replacement job". Guess what? Someone in GM received the request and processed it, and sent the camera mirror to the dealer alright, but forgot to send the back cover of the mirror, even though the request from the GM FE was very clear that "we need the whole mirror". That person who processed the shipping request, who I am sure is not a union member but a "professional", apparently doesn't have much pride in doing an excellent job, and simple doesn't care enough to think it through, like, "oh, you need a whole mirror, so you must need the mirror front half, and also the back cover, so let me ship both of them together", but instead simply grabbed a mirror and shipped it without the cover. So now, the car is still stuck in the dealer's shop because they couldn't complete the replacement work, and the GM FE was fed up with their parts shipping and now is requesting the back cover from the BG factory directly! What a fiasco!
Last edited by ArmchairArchitect; Dec 5, 2020 at 02:37 PM.
Last edited by z51vett; Dec 5, 2020 at 04:57 PM.
Its like water and oil. Union's are THE REASON that domestic manufacturers struggle to compare well to European or Japanese vehicles.
We spend much more on LABOR which leave less for the quality of parts and materials.
Unions Are a hugh problem for domestic manufacturers between unreasonably high labor cost and legacy cost put domestic manufacturers at a hugh disadvantage compared to the companies that don't have to pay ridiculously high labor cost for what are mostly unskilled labor position that anyone with a couple hours training could do.
Union breed an us vs them status between labor and management.
Unions Breed mediocrity at best in the labor force.

























